Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?

Discussion in 'Whatever' started by animator, Nov 13, 2017.

  1. animator

    animator Mr. Freshly Smacked Ass Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2008
    Messages:
    5,953
    Location:
    Hollywood
    Name:
    David
    Instagram:
    davidjcoffman
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    It's not that simple really and overall the discussion isn't about the person flipping toys. But in regards to that topic I'll add:
    Flipping both old and new toys= Grey area because we can focus on 1 toy they are selling and cry ok(older Gorilla Ju) or not ok(Kraken or Kumon).
    My friend is flipper= Ok because they're my friend.
    A stranger is a flipper= Not ok because I don't know them or the situation.

    -What the topic should be about is "I have a friend who legit collects toys but also flips them. Am I okay with this?" I've decided that I'm not. Do I hook them up or help them get toys knowing this? Am I guilty by association because I ignore it, meanwhile talking crap about others who do it? And what about their relationship with the creators of toys, because many of us have friendships with creators?

     
  2. Lixx

    Lixx Mr. Grumpy™

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    8,211
    Location:
    Not here
    flickr:
    lixx
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    Lol I like avocado toast- I especially love avocado BLT's! Anyhow yes got the reference.
     
    wingnut0 likes this.
  3. foto junkaay

    foto junkaay Addicted

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2016
    Messages:
    756
    Location:
    Kaylifornia
    Name:
    Kay
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    I know it's not as simple as that, but I think a lot of context gets lost in some of these online conversations/rants because we do try to walk on eggshells at times. I think it's moreso name and shame or just let it happen and move on. Do you continue to let other collectors be fooled by this or do you try and stop it? That's something we have to really ask ourselves. And by your answer being no, you are not ok with this friends or not, then yes, you are part of the problem (indirectly).
     
    IronPaw and animator like this.
  4. boon velvet

    boon velvet Post Pimp

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2011
    Messages:
    2,591
    Location:
    Swamp City YeewSA
    Name:
    JP
    Instagram:
    boonvelvet
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    Okay, I would like to know who was flipping the recent releases (the Kumons for example), especially if these are skullbrain members. This only so that I can look into it and make an educated decision on whether to exclude them from any toys I make available thru sb, including the holiday raffle coming up. I don't want to contribute to flipping, I want to put toys straight into the hands of collectors that want them. Like I assume a lot of us here do... Also, it doesn't sound like this / these people were attempting to be secret. I mean, they had a booth at sb's festival of choice? Ha, I doubt they care.

    This friend thing - I don't care if the person is my friend, unless you share the same opinion they do or it's not a real friendship, you'd be honest about what's up. If you're a flipper and we're already close, that doesn't mean we can't still be pals, of course I'll let you know what I think about zee flipping, I'm sure I'll get pissed at you on more than one occasion, most likely you won't get any toy from me, and if anyone asks I'll be truthful about you. If you don't like that and don't want to be chummy anymore, well that sucks if we've been real friends for awhile, but okay, you know my beliefs on flipping were the same when we first started hanging out... I once had a good friend and neighbor (now deceased ) who was a crackhead, great guy, and super talented. On multiple occasions when I'd be leaving, he would want to stay at my place to finish a movie, playing a video game, whatever, and my response was always something like, "You've gotta leave too. I'll give you a ring when I'm back." Him - "You act like you don't trust me." Me - "Dude,.. How many times have we talked about this?!.. You're a crackhead!" Him - "I know". Then he sadly gets up and leaves. I loved him, he knew it, but I hated that he was a junkie and he knew and accepted that too. We were still friends, even tho I had been a junkie just a few years prior and it was tough for me to watch. Life is too complex, who knows what makes us click with others sometimes, I'm not suggesting anyone destroy friendships over someone being a flipper, but it's so damn childish THIS is a secret. Remember when @quentor was flipping some of his recent wins because his wife was really sick (and sadly not here anymore)? Was it the right thing to do isn't for me to say, but he was upfront about it, knew he'd get shit for it, and took it... These are grown folks (hopefully), they know what they're doing. And it sucks for any of us who don't want to flip to be pulled into it because of... Shhhh... seeccrreetttsss.

    I apologize in f this didn't truly match what I was going for. I haven't taken my afternoon meds yet, so the struggle to think clearly is upon me.

    BUT if anyone understands my intent with the 2nd paragraph, Please don't spoil it.
     
  5. leili

    leili Toy Prince

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2013
    Messages:
    434
    Location:
    la, ca
    Name:
    Leili
    flickr:
    bimbims6
    Instagram:
    leilinharmon
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    This threads going to be a cesspool because apparently everyone's definitions of flipping is different.

    This hobby has an extremely volatile value system but all collectibles rise and fall in price over time.

    Nobody ever gets mad at someone who's held onto something a long time for selling it at it's appreciated value.


    The same cannot be said of someone selling recent releases at an increased price though.
     
    Beantime and gazpacho like this.
  6. Anti Social Andy

    Anti Social Andy Die-Cast

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2006
    Messages:
    9,940
    Location:
    The Grim North
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    Flip forever . . . Friends are overrated! :twisted:
     
    quentor and DrMadness like this.
  7. quentor

    quentor Addicted

    Joined:
    May 26, 2010
    Messages:
    918
    Location:
    Twin Cities
    Name:
    Ryan
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    I'm still reeling financially from Amy's loss. I contacted the artist for permission, offered the toys here, and when all else failed went to eBay. I can't even sleep at night from the guilt...when will I stop my flipping ways?
     
  8. Kristupas

    Kristupas Fresh Meat

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    22
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    I wouldnt worry about it. I had enough of all the endless guilt & confusion everyone has about flipping. I used to get annoyed when I'd miss something but I've seen everything I've ever wanted over & over again unless flipping strictly concerns limited designer toys & things around $1000 upwards.
    When you collect other things you learn not to let the unfairness bug you but the first few times it will rip your heart out and then you just become desensitised. I suppose its harder in the virtual world of the internet because you cant see the other people and the circumstances, maybe it feels worse than being at a convention.
    Anything that's popular gets reprinted anyway if theres a demand or in the worst case faked. Books & records are always being reprinted unless it doesn't sell & then most of the time you wouldn't even hear of your favourite authors or artists because companies would get rid of them.
    Most of the old toys are reissued, you cant even tell the difference between them & Medicoms started re-doing all the modern ones already. I find they seem to sell a lot off really cheap to wholesalers & if your lucky you can find the weirdest of stores have the odd thing brand new in a clearance sale.
    That's how other buisness works, other people dont worry as much or at all, most will never even heard of flipping. At fairs things change hands several times within minutes in a carpark before its even open & even dealers get carried away over paying for things they know nothing about which is actually one of the things you've illuminated.
    When you see stuff thats super expensive you've got to realise that some buyers are multi milionaires or earn a lot of money and time is money.
    When you come to sell a collection of anything you'll find some things make a forune that you never even knew and other things that are rare but won't sell no matter how cheap it is and the whole process can be very expensive, mind numbing & time consuming & your not getting paid by the hour to put it on sale & pack it & store it so you have to make winnings compensate for losses. Japanese people dont even have the room so if its no use to the they get rid of it.
    I think experts see the value in something differently too like they can see the difference between something thats just a trend & a future classic so they rate things more highly than others to save it from obscurity.
    Personally I think its just our misfortune that manufacturers haven't made more & you won't always get what you want just by stopping other people.
     
  9. bryce_r

    bryce_r Die-Cast

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2007
    Messages:
    9,093
    Location:
    San Jose
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    yaaaaaaaaawn
     
  10. Anti Social Andy

    Anti Social Andy Die-Cast

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2006
    Messages:
    9,940
    Location:
    The Grim North
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    In the immortal words of Locomoco . . . :roll:
     
  11. Waterbear

    Waterbear Line of Credit

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2013
    Messages:
    1,581
    Location:
    Hiding in your toy chest
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    Thank God for all the "expert" flippers then for saving all these poor overlooked vinyl toys from utter obscurity by realizing their true future value with their all important rating system. God bless every last one of them for knowing what is worthy of being a "classic" and what should just be tossed aside as a "trend". Without them we might be buying the wrong toys! Heaven forbid!
     
  12. Kristupas

    Kristupas Fresh Meat

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    22
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    Who's this forum run by anyway? its Brian Flynn isn't it who owns Super 7 & reaction toys?
    How come he's knowingly allowed this totally vauge pressure group to form over the years going around damaging & scaremongering other people, companies & business?
    I dont think other companies are happy when customers (including myself) are regularly being put off from buying every other thing because they have to think twice about if they decide to get rid of it whether their going to become subject to scrutiny.
    Yet all these places still stock his stuff and I don't think there's the same type of gestapos yet controlling the products he sells.
     
  13. ultrakaiju

    ultrakaiju Die-Cast Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2011
    Messages:
    11,546
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    For only your second post here, you are sure off to a blazing start. Most people would come out with an introduction maybe, or at the very least some form of sharing pic. Welcome to Skullbrain. I don't even know if you are purposefully trying to troll the forum, nor do I care. But let's tone down the hyperbole somewhat, and try exploring some other areas of the board before shooting off opinionated rants.

    PS - if you have some personal beef - for whatever reason - this is not the place to air those grievances.
     
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2017
  14. Michael Beverage

    Michael Beverage Line of Credit

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2013
    Messages:
    1,813
    Location:
    The Dirty South
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    Well, this thread is starting to go down the toilet, as we all knew it eventually would. Might as well hasten its demise.

     
    wingnut0 likes this.
  15. badteethcomics

    badteethcomics Post Pimp

    Joined:
    May 31, 2013
    Messages:
    2,986
    Location:
    Brisbane, Australia
    Name:
    Glenn
    Instagram:
    badteethcomics
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    First of all - if you're already considering selling off something before purchasing it, maybe don't buy the piece in the first place. And secondly, if you sell whatever off for the same price you bought it at, even throw in the shipping cost on top of it then you'll be fine. If you bought a Kumon a few weeks ago at Dcon and are now trying to sell it for $200 then you're going to get blasted. Nothing to worry about..
     
    HardDragon and Grindingmachete like this.
  16. MonstaIslandCzar

    MonstaIslandCzar Comment King

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2012
    Messages:
    1,118
    Location:
    Louisville, KY
    Name:
    Ben
    Instagram:
    MonstaIslandCzar
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    So it's either sell it for a profit or take it to your grave? No middle ground of maybe selling it for what you paid?
    brilliant :roll:
    Pretty simple folks...If you care about what other people think of you, then don't gouge them when reselling toys. If you don't care then flip away! Can't have it both ways. Same concept pretty much applies in life across the board.
     
  17. toothaction

    toothaction Team Tsubu Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2011
    Messages:
    13,102
    Location:
    Detroit
    Name:
    David
    flickr:
    toothaction
    Instagram:
    thebeautifulpuffin
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    On Flipping.

    Many people seem to misunderstand exactly what constitutes flipping, and think that their selfish actions are somehow different from flipping. Some think that it's only flipping if you're selling toys, not trading. Some think it's okay as long as you do it on eBay and not here. Some think "as long as I'm not stealing from someone, I'm not hurting anyone." These are all examples of incorrect thinking about flipping, and we need to set the record straight.

    Here's the main reason flippers hurt the toy community - They make it harder for fans to collect toys.

    Flippers have existed on Skullbrain in some way or another for a long time, have been doing it for years, and they've been allowed to stay here because there has been a mentality of "let Skullbrain's vocal members do what's necessary to keep the flippers at bay." We call out flippers when we see them, and sometimes that sends them packing. Unfortunately, the attitude of certain flippers has changed from "I don't want to get ostracized by SB, so I'll stop," to "Pfffft. I'm going to flip, you're going to hate me for it, but I don't give a crap." We need to end that way of thinking right here and now.

    The Following Activities Will Not Be Tolerated:

    • Making sales threads with new toys at a large markup soon after receiving them
    • Asking for trades using brand new toys as trade bait
    • Using the BST section to swoop in on low price items only to resell on eBay immediately afterwards for higher prices
    • Making sales threads fishing for offers
    • Flipping in any way, shape or form

    What Happens To Members Of Skullbrain Who Are Flipping?

    There are a few known flippers who are receiving temporary bans starting this week. They'll be given a period of time where they're not allowed on SB in order to straighten up and stop flipping. If they choose to keep flipping, they'll be banned permanently. Moving forward, people who are found to be flipping will be given a very deliberate warning, and if they do not stop flipping, they will be banned. We are not going to tolerate people taking advantage of other toy collectors.

    Flippers hurt toy collectors, and because this is a forum for toy collectors, we want to do what we can to keep them off of Skullbrain.

    ^^^ Said Brian, the owner, and James, the board's chief administrator. Clearly the scaremongering tactics of totally "vauge" pressure groups are but the gentlest ripple from the fools among us who drink of the communist bile spouted by those above us. How dare we?

    Check your valves, Kristupas, because your gas leaks smell like last week's eggs so far.
     
  18. badteethcomics

    badteethcomics Post Pimp

    Joined:
    May 31, 2013
    Messages:
    2,986
    Location:
    Brisbane, Australia
    Name:
    Glenn
    Instagram:
    badteethcomics
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    This is great - been a long time coming! Thanks for making a stand @toothaction ! Here's another step towards killing them off.. Is it possible to make Skullbrain a secret forum? As in you can't view any posts unless you are logged in? Even if you are banned you can still view 80% of the threads here.. generally flippers are going to check the popular threads here to see what's worth hunting down at the next event, which toys could bring in big $$$ because they have no personal taste and don't know any better. Preventing "outsiders" from viewing threads could stop some of the hype around some toys.. of course, instagram is still a big contributor to that.
     
  19. Anti Social Andy

    Anti Social Andy Die-Cast

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2006
    Messages:
    9,940
    Location:
    The Grim North
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    I suggested this many years ago and the idea got shot down. Although at that stage Skullbrain was more of an S7 promotional tool and keen to attract as many members as possible to stimulate interest in the brand (how many of those 2,600 are still around and contributing!)

    That said, given the S7 business model and target market seems to have done a 180 (mass produced ReAction & 'themed' t-shirts) it's probably not bringing much to the party anymore.

    Secret forum's FTW! ;)
     
    Mecha, coma21, Brooklyn_Vinyl and 5 others like this.
  20. Winu

    Winu S7 Royalty

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2007
    Messages:
    3,674
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    Name:
    Larry
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    Build a wall, keep the n00bs out!
     
    IronPaw likes this.
  21. Waterbear

    Waterbear Line of Credit

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2013
    Messages:
    1,581
    Location:
    Hiding in your toy chest
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    "Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?"

    Looks like the new answer to that question is THEY DON'T!

    [​IMG]
     
  22. toothaction

    toothaction Team Tsubu Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2011
    Messages:
    13,102
    Location:
    Detroit
    Name:
    David
    flickr:
    toothaction
    Instagram:
    thebeautifulpuffin
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    A sad fact, maybe, is that the HYPEZ Machine for toys that have never really interested me much has long-ago crawled over the wall, through the trenches and into the, as mentioned above, uncaring yet ever-welcoming arms of IG and parts similar. Yes, I'm certain that stray prospectors still skim our pond's milky residue for delicious salez science, and yes, the private message system is still probably a decent source for covert fatcash exchanges, but I have serious doubts that either goes on to anything resembling the extent that it once so clearly did. That mentioned...

    Even if we still were the premier source for carpetbaggers looking to exploit our niche of a niche for profit, Skullbrain is and always should be a public resource for information about the soft vinyl stylings that have eaten up the world's resources for over 50 years now, and, clogged as that information exchange has grown, it is still one of the only and certainly the best treasury of such studies in the clumsy-ass English language.

    I first landed here in 2006, when my compulsive searches for companies like M1号 finally began to return hits other than, for example, CT Mike's patchy and prolific project, and it quickly became my favorite spot on the net to lurk and learn at. I'm sure that countless others that have passed through here over the past nearly dozen years have similar stories, and I hope that that's true after a dozen more. You get stinky fruit come late fall in any orchard, but what an orchard we've got! I'm not about to endorse burning down the grove just because of a few rotten apples.

    Crappy, pre-coffee analogies aside, SB is a public offering from a public company, and just because S7 now produces dorm posters, non-working erasers and wallpaper - in addition to the occasional softie - doesn't mean that this peripheral arm of their promotional empire should go dark for all but the chosen few. That would be silly.

    Sincerely,
    - a junior executive in charge of virtually nothing*
    PS - Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?


    ^ *Dictator but not red.
     
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2017
  23. ungawa222

    ungawa222 Mini Boss

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2006
    Messages:
    4,543
    Location:
    NOW QUASI IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND
    Name:
    Mike
    Instagram:
    mohair_stones
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    CT Mike's patchy and prolific project

    <coughVTcough>
     
    boon velvet likes this.
  24. toothaction

    toothaction Team Tsubu Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2011
    Messages:
    13,102
    Location:
    Detroit
    Name:
    David
    flickr:
    toothaction
    Instagram:
    thebeautifulpuffin
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    Well don't we have a case of a Gary-sized ego, GaraMike! Connecticunnect the dots, foo - C.lub T.okyo!

    Update yr blog while yr at it! Some people... yeeesh.
     
    ultrakaiju and boon velvet like this.
  25. ungawa222

    ungawa222 Mini Boss

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2006
    Messages:
    4,543
    Location:
    NOW QUASI IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND
    Name:
    Mike
    Instagram:
    mohair_stones
    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    D'OH!! :oops:

    You see, I just thought that... and you said M1... certainly patchy and prolific... um.... that is to say....

    In that case, as an aside, because it can't be said enough: big up to the ONE, the stoic man of few words, the Ultra-solid man who always delivers, who has helped so many for so long... that Mike.

    Ignore me, and please carry on...
    :D
     
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2017
    Mecha and boon velvet like this.

Share This Page