Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?

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  1. animator

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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    I just want to put this out here. More as a PSA to our tiny community, and hopefully adult conversation type of thing. Not really looking for a witch hunt, and hoping to stop some friends from associating with flippers.

    At dcon there was a booth, with Paul Kaiju, MVH, HxS, Gargamel, Nag, Anraku, pretty much everything. It was shared by multiple guys known on SB and the toy community. Some of these toys were at insane flipper prices, others were good deals.

    So my question is why do these guys get a pass? Is it because we know them and they've been collecting for years? Is it because it is easier to hate on a facelessflipper than someone we know? If the flipper prices were just from 1 of the people at this booth, are the others guilty by association? Or just quietly guilty because they know it's happening and don't speak up? What about other friends who hang out with this person, knowing it is happening?

    I'd like to hear thoughts on this, but keep it constructive. I won't hesitate to lock this if it gets crazy.
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    I've seen people ask crazy prices but back it up by saying the toy cost them that much, so they are trying to get their money back.

    I suppose that raises the question, if you try to sell a toy you bought from a flipper, does that make you a flipper?
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    A buddy of mine told me about such a booth that had a green nag for $5k. When my buddy asked why they were selling it for $5k,one of the guys apparently got defensive and said it was a one off and he could sell it for $9k if he wanted to.
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    The booth had industrial glow kumon for 150 each. Preeeeeeetty sure they did not buy at that price.

    There were some deals to be had, but plenty of opportunities to be fleeced as well.
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    I'm imagine some of the leeway given is due to the fact that the toys are available for purchase in person? Especially, if they're harder to find older releases.

    Yes, they're at flipper prices, BUT you'll never see it again. Now or never!! There's that live element.
    The temptation does sometimes override the money-aspect and/or collector code (or whatever you want to call not-flipping respect). Obviously, this is probably more case-by-case and varies per person.

    I know I've fallen for it a couple of times. We probably all have over years.

    I'm just thinking about the mindset of the scenario for the buyer. Not trying to rationalize flipping or anything.

    Disclaimer: I was not at DCon. D'oh.
     
  6. Anti Social Andy

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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    Having seen how fast the new wave of Chinese collectors have accumulated their collections, 'Insane flipper prices' seems to be a subjective term.

    Given the exchange rate and shipping costs . . . even retail is looking pretty 'insane' to me these days.

    Curious who the numbnuts with the DCon booth were though. Guys 'known' SB and the toy community don't automatically equate to 'respected' by SB and the toy community.

    Name and shame! :twisted:
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    @spatula007 ... " I was not at Dcon. D'oh. "

    For purposes of this thread , shouldn't that be =
    " I was not at D'oh-con. D.
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    I had gotten a few pieces last year, actually had to get down and dirty sifting but did find something I wanted reasonably priced. there was a few items I saw this year too that caught the eye, just not the price. They are friends. I didn't want to haggle especially being the number I'd be willing to pay was about half of what was sticker price. fun to see some older stuff though. I guess it comes down to if you're going to support it?
    I'm actually surprised we haven't seen SDCC tactics yet, of hardcore flippers with booths scoring, and selling at the booth.

    Many of us have paid over retail for a item
    Many of us have also sold a item for over retail

    While I might not agree with a friend all the time, it doesn't change the fact if they are a friend or not. I'm speaking on this in general, as people we have different views on things, yet we also share similar interests.

    to start your answers to questions I think we need to answer to ourselves what we consider a flipper.
    I think I get mad when I see brand new item up on ebay or what not because you know the purpose off the bat was for resale.
    So seeing the new Kumons there, yeah that falls into the category...
    old school doji's and sludges I was interested don't I feel though.

    I think if you've had a older release/toy for some time, and decide its now time to part ways you shouldn't have to sell at retail.
    I think there is a fair market in between retail and flipping for every red cent you can.

    I think the topic mainly is because they had a booth and just doing it in the open. Many known names overcharge in the DM on sales. Many deals and positive gestures go down as well via this way.

    I personally hate seeing stuff just released marked up to feed off of fellow collectors... there's also some straight idiots as well... There's a dude on ebay right now thinking he's going to get $800 for a pus print he got at sour lemon Sat.
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    Boom
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    I think it's good practice to show how much you paid if you're charging flipish prices. PayPal keeps that shit forever so it shouldn't be hard to prove.
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    i know what booth youre talking about they were there last year. one of them has a booth at frank n sons as well with the same stuff same prices. my take is since hes a collector he sets the price so high so that no one really buys anything but if they want to drop the serious cash then fuck it right? like guys who sell vintage shirts on ebay at like 399 because they dont really want to sell a piece of their collection but if someone decides to buy at the price then sure
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    On the flip side of that, who the fuck cares what you paid? Why do you have to prove anything?
    Do you want an item and like the price? Buy it.
    Is the seller charging too much? Pass on it.

    @animator - who was at this booth?
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    . . . . flippin' the bird as you walk on by.
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    Maybe them getting a pass has something to do with the fact that even though some people consider it common knowledge who the flippers are no one actually names them and informs the community in general so most of us simply don't know. Thus we still talk to and trade with or even help out these secret yet "known" flippers by no fault of our own.

    Kind of sounds like Hollywood these days.
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    Just seen the list . . . all n00bs to me! :D

    One point that has been raised via PM. It just seems like a good scam in order to get vendor passes and early access to al the cool schwag to flip next year. It's just a bonus if anyone's stoppid enough to cough up $5k for a NNN!

    Chinese flipper squad tactics on home turf!

    Blech!
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    Which booth was it?
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    I wasn't there but it sounds like the one with a whole pile of overpriced junk on it manned by a gaggle of hipsters lookin' for suckers to buy it!

    'constructive'? :D
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    People still give a shit about nags? :lol:

    Here’s my take, since I’m on an airplane headed home after an amazing weekend with friends and toys and have some time for sb.

    As far as I’m concerned there are three types of people on sb. My friends that I’ve met and hung out with in and out of conventions, friends that I’ve virtually met here and am cool with through years of pm’s and trades, and then everyone else.

    Any idea of a real “community” that encompasses everyone in the 2017 version of sb went out the window years ago after seeing fly by night transients come in hard and then lose interest months later, or hooking up strangers in the bst and then seeing those hook ups get flipped.

    I no longer believe in any overarching commonality just because we all collect toys. I try to help friends, I like hooking people up, but the idea that everyone deserves hookups for taking the five minutes to sign up here is absolute garbage in my opinion.

    I guess that’s tangential to the direct conversation but why are you dwelling on people selling gorilla ju’s that came out years ago for literally thousands less than they command on yja, eBay, or instagram at a convention with thousands of faceless nameless attendees? Should they be sold for the $200 they cost? I think not.

    I’m more upset about the pus, itokin, and gargamel 1offs that were up on auction sites minutes after they were purchased, as well as theft this weekend which was pretty heart wrenching at the end of an otherwise amazing experience.

    Maybe this isn’t how the rest of you feel, but that’s fine with me. My attitude when I joined this place vs how I feel now is quite different and at the end of the day the toys take a back seat to both the amazing friends I’ve gained through this hobby and the comedy gold from the rest of you ass hats 8)
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    Praise be to Zach.
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    That's the exact question Animator asked though.

    Why are you upset about people you don't know flipping stuff but the people who you do know flipping stuff is just fine?

    Shouldn't it be either or? Like all flipping sucks or all flipping is okay?

    Is the only distinction between one being bad and the other being cool is actually liking the person doing it?

    For the record these are all actual questions. I am not being sarcastic or judging nor do I have some predetermined sense of right or wrong about the situation myself. I mostly collect pretty cheap vinyl and 90% of what I get is blank so I can't fuck up paint work when I play with my toys. So as usual my whole perspective is outside looking in and comes from curiosity more than anything else.
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    No. You misunderstood what I’m saying, or more than likely I just wasn’t clear enough. The distinction is not whether or not I know the person selling, but the length of time the toy has been out and the price in relation to the “market” value on auction sites. Again, the toys in question are at least 5 years old and regularly sell for much more online. I don’t really collect those toys, but when I saw the ju I actually said “hmm that’s not so bad”. Lol. You don’t have to pay $4000 for a gorilla ju, but if you think you’re going to get one for $200 from anyone but hirota, then keep dreaming. Unless of course you happen to have extra rad friends.

    Edit: last thing I’d really like to chime in with as this is way more text than I usually like to contribute, but there is a difference between flipping and price gouging that is overlooked by some of you. Not that price gouging is cool, but it’s definitely a far cry from the insta flip nonsense and no one is making you buy anything you don’t want to.
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    No, but I think it makes you a fool.
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    This is exactly what needs to be said. We see through the key holes of so many people's interactions. We usually don't know what said person has into it or not. We don't know the circumstances to every transaction we may see here or on IG or wherever. "Hey I'll hook you up at this show or with this piece, if you help me out later down the road" or hey I don't mind paying 1200 bucks for somthing that cost 200 retail and that's ok because my pockets don't have seems and that's just the MO for a lot of people. To be honest that's just as bad as flipping the toy yourself. Because all your doing is saying hey it's ok for me to buy this at the redic price.but then complain about flippers. This shit is gonna happen. How many times I've had people trying to buy parts of my collection for a price most would say I'm stupid for not selling at. It's a choice we all make. You don't have to pay any price for anything. I don't have to sell anything. I don't feel entitled to anything so I don't look for deals. I just do my part to stay righteous and everyone should do the same. This topic is just an Ouroboros

    Also. That's "one off" nag sold on a Buy it now eBay listing a few years back for 1k (for people who collect that's probably a bargain) and if it wasent the same nag (blank neon green goofy face moon skin) then it's deff not a "one off" I think that's an entire other issue. Blanks.... I can't consider a one off. It may be a test pull or whatever but most likely it's not. Just using lingo to toss weight at a trade flip or sale.
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    When I think of flipping, I tend to think of new releases. Someone bought a toy with the sole intention of selling it.
    The rest is kind of a moral grey area that is difficult to navigate. If they paid that much, should they take a hit and sell for retail? Did an emergency come up and they need money asap? Does the whole "it's their toy and they can do what they want" thing come into play?
    Even I don't fucking know anymore. Maybe it's because I'm not chasing hyped toys, but I see toys for outrageous prices and just end up laughing and moving on. They can tout their stupid overpriced bullshit, I'm happy with what I have and what I like. Being a toy collector on a budget and with limited living space has taught me that you can't have everything, catch every shop drop, and sometimes less really is more.
     
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    Why do some people get a pass when it comes to flipping toys?
    My own opinion is a doll is worth only as much happiness as it brings you, regardless of what you paid.

    I have a few toys that I would be lucky to get $20 for, yet would never sell for any amount because of the enjoyment they provide me.

    Some toys in my collection have been with me for 4 decades now, so it might be different for me feeling the way I do about certain ones.

    Andy as it appears, this is an ignorant statement.

    Maybe not how you meant it?

    Maybe you were referencing some folks in particular but you can not attribute this all to Chinese or any race for that matter.

    Japan has a large amount of flippers. One only has to look at YHJ auctions. Yet would you dare say, Japanese tactics?

    So how about we all just call it out by the actual name,

    Opportunist scum.

    op·por·tun·ist
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      a person who exploits circumstances to gain immediate advantage rather than being guided by consistent principles or plans.
    Some of the most extreme examples of flipping have been done by some "respected" folks on here.

    That is fact.

    Some folks get called out for asking more than retail yet a certain guy who is no longer on SB, got HXS from SDCC and sold dolls for more than most of us make in 3 months!

    That guy knew damn well what he was doing. Opportunist scum.

    Some other guy, who is still on here got Bemon and other dolls direct from Mr. Yoda yet has been praised for selling them here... for more than he paid.

    That guy exploited Yoda's kindness.

    Both these guys are Americans!

    Again Opportunist scum.

    Too many bullshit people have come into this hobby in the past few years. Of that at least we can certainly agree.

    I can not agree nor can I get behind pointing fingers at certain races/cultures, knowing it exists everywhere in every corner of the world.

    Real fans are also in every corner of the world, we will sustain.

    They will fade.

    Toy or DIE!
     

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