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  1. Dean

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    Yes, there's some music from Koyaanisqatsi in Watchmen.

    I liked the film. I think whatever flaws there are have more to do with cinematic issues rather than adaptive. Although there's no way that a movie condensation could have been as deep as the experience of reading the comic (that's how I read it, I still have a hard time thinking of it as a book,) I have to credit the director/producers for doing their best to be true to the spirit and tone of the original material. I thought all of the actors playing masked heroes did a good, sometimes excellent job of personifying the characters as I'd imagined them (although I agree they were too young for the backstory-timeline to have made chronological sense.)

    There were moments and scenes that I thought could have been cut entirely for momentum, or at least done differently, but they weren't enough of an issue to make the movie itself bad. That sex scene was pretty badly done LOL. I was thinking "the movie is set in an alternate mid-80s, it's not supposed to be like a bad 80s movie" during that clumsy scene. No biggie though.

    I thought the portrayals of Dr. Manhattan and Rorschach were especially good. Whew. Anyway, overall, much better than expected. I'm glad I went with lowered expectations rather than fanboi expectations.

    Regarding objections to the popular music on the soundtrack, ya know, a lot of those songs were quoted in the book, too. Thing is, some of them were a lot more meaningful in their original context. There were times when I thought it was working, and others where it seemed like the filmmakers felt obligated to use those songs without really matching them to the action. Maybe I'll feel differently about that on next viewing.

    Special effects were mostly amazing but a little uneven. Is it just me, or did Dr. Manhattan's Martian station thing look like a 3D model that wasn't scaled properly? It could have been made to look better (and larger) with a higher resolution model and more complex caustics. As it is, it seems sort of like a dangerously sharp-edged paperweight blown up to look big. Details, details...
     
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    dr manhattan phillip glass scene rules good choice in music, if he had done the score the movie would have been epic
     
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    I fuckin' love Alex Jones. This guy never ceases to entertain, and more often than not in ways he doesn't even intend.
     
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    Yeah, in ways he doesn't intend for sure, poor guy. But as goofy and off-base as he can be, he appears to have a good heart. Plus thanks to him we have footage of that weird Bohemian Grove Moloch "sacrifice of dull care" ritual. :) I don't know about some of his conclusions but he's right to get people thinking about the big questions.

    As much as I'm usually inclined to chuckle at Jones, I think he's right on the money to note the "conspiratorial" aspect of "Watchmen." It infused the comic series in numerous ways in the details, and also related to the gradually-revealed grand scheme. I don't think it was coincidental that the WTC is scene dead-center of the frame in two key scenes in the film version. I suspect that was the filmmakers' way of bringing the "Reichstag fire" theme of the comic up to date, if you catch my drift.

    Moore used an alternate reality to address reality. Jones is correct to note references to things like "The Rockefeller Institute" in the conspiratorial milieu. While the movie could only cram so much in, and thus might not have made this aspect particularly clear (e.g. some audience members might be confused by seeing Comedian as the gunman across the grassy knoll in Dallas) the graphic novel is full of cultural, subcultural and historical references and touchstones, which all play into a sort of expanded world view, one in which things are not what they seem, and conspiratorial hands are meddling with human destiny. The more one knows about these references, the richer Watchmen becomes, and the clearer the vision behind the story. I don't usually think of Jones as the brightest bulb but his comments in this case make for one of the most insightful and compelling of all the Watchmen reviews I've encountered. Even if parts sound kooky, he gets the story behind the story better than any other reviewer I can think of, no doubt due to the similarity between his real-life world view and that behind alternate-world Watchmen.
     
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    My issue with Jones is that I think his opinions are all to often tainted by Illuminati/NWO-esque references consciously inserted by the given author/director/etc. to prove a point. No doubt the Comedian acting as the JFK grassy knoll assassin, WTC shots and more add to the whole conspiratorial idea of Bilderberg and Bohemian Grove meetings deciding the direction of humanity, and no doubt these were inserted with volotion, but Jones seems to take any reference like this as some sort secret code thats been inserted into the film as a kind of secret-handshake communication among the powers that be rather than being knowingly put there to give the film that sense of "expanded world view". Oh wait, that's what makes him a conspiracy theorist. :lol:
     
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    To me the funniest parts were the insistence that Alan Moore is a Freemason (I can't find any reference for this aside from a page on Uncyclopedia), and his belief that Rorschach is portrayed as a "bad guy."

    There are no shades of gray in his world, I guess, but if there were he probably wouldn't be doing what he does.

    EDIT: I guess the movie is sort of a Rorschach test in its own right. People see what they want to, like Jones and Schlussel.
     
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    Very late to the party here, just saw this last night. I read the book a long time ago and didn't re-read it, just sort of went in with no expectations really.

    The friend I went with was squirming all over the place. The move was far too long for him, and that was pretty apparent every time he looked at his cellphone to check the time. Clearly, not the best review came out of him after it was over.

    It was good. Hated the CGI / visual inconsistencies already mentioned in the thread. Overall, I'd actually consider buying this, where I would not buy Sin City, another film which had some bad CGI / visual inconsistencies. It's a shame that with all the money that is spent, that this stuff goes through unpolished.
     
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    Well, you can have your effects:

    1) Fast
    2) Cheap
    3) Good

    Pick two. That's the way it's always been.
     
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    I saw this last night too.
    Best line ever- "I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me"

    I thought it was alot better than I was expecting.
    And not once did I feel like it was dragging.
     
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    I take it back.
    I like the OST for Watchmen.
     

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