Discussion in 'Whatever' started by Dean, Jan 23, 2012.
No no no no no.
Life is so depressing sometimes...
I think its funny.
If this is all you have to depress you about life, I envy you.
Lighten up guys.
to offset that image:
I'm f*cking speechless ... even when trying to adopt a sense of humour about this.
F*cking grrrrrrr ...
Somewhere Tony Wilson is either laughing or turning over in his grave....
... yes yes yes YES!
Lighten up? This schnit is serious! A sad debasement. Oh well...
Mods - please remove blakewest's offensive post!
i'm sure walt would totally appreciate the association...
I get what you're saying but this is the best live version of Temptation:
Although Barnie's hot shorts are pretty funny in the one you posted
They get Manny Pacquiao's brother to model that?
Speaking of Temptation, I find myself perversely tempted to think that this is the new "Three Wolf Moon" t-shirt. As much as I tire of hipster irony, this thing is so painfully ironic on so many levels that there's a sick brilliance to it, as I'm sure the designer realized. If I were to play "apologist," I'd ask "is it really so far from KAWS?"
Of course, some of the irony isn't so funny. The ultimate corporatist mouse actually managed to get US courts to extend its copyright on the Micky image well beyond the legal 70-year limitation, something that a less wealthy entity never would have managed to pull off, so to see them appropriate something so incredibly iconic from a band who were all about casting off falsehood and finding the frightening truth within ... it's just too much.
Then again, I'm pretty sure that the image was already copyright-free when Peter Saville incorporated it, hence Disney can probably legally get away with the "derivative." Even if they didn't solicit permission, I'm sure they ran it past their suits before putting it up for sale.
Oh you've got green eyes, oh you've got grey eyes, oh you've got mouse ears...
I prefer this kind of post-post-post modern thing existing than the bullshit trying to be "ironic" that people make a boatload of these days. there's no pretending going on, so it's less offensive.
speed destroys the sacred...pretty soon the ability to even understand why we would be upset about that shirt won't be possible.
I'm a luddite at heart, but one who is sort of enjoying being absorbed into obsolescence.
if the 2000's are remembered for the pube faced hipsters recycling the worst of the thrift store in the worst aesthetic manner...
the 10's will be remembered as the decade of the endless mash-up, like it or not. apparently no one has enough attention span left to create something remotely original...just juxtapose every unrelated thing against every other until it sells.
This simply isn't true.
Blame your elected representatives.
Some of who have their own vested interested that copyright is extended.
The courts had nothing to do with it, and copyright now legally extends further than it ever did in the US.
BTW, be prepared for copyright to become even more euro in nature as we continue on.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/0 ... -decision/
The US view of copyright used to be much different than that of Europe.
Seven years of copyright, renewable for another seven if you were still alive.
Viva la copyright holders.
I want it!
I knew you would.
Though I picture Isaac in my head rocking it. lol
The image became iconic, but I think it was a rip. In a Joy Division documentary, there was an interview w/ the Factory records graphic designer. If I remember, he he found that image in a book or a magazine.
I find the Mickey Mouse shirt awful & stupid. I am not offended, it's just plain bad.
More than Tony Wilson, its Peter Saville who will be offended by this!
No disrespect for the legitimate holding of copyright was implied or intended, which is probably an odd thing to say in a community that lauds bootlegs. I don't know whether or not Disney consulted Saville prior to creating this shirt, and from my point of view for the purpose of starting this thread it doesn't really matter. And again, Saville found the image and prepared it for use on "Unknown Pleasures." It was already a derivative by the time it made it into the public consciousness. It wasn't wholly original art.
Admittedly I alluded to various reports circa 2003-2008 without verifying first, as the ethical hypocrisy I'd referred to was the point, not some pretense of legal scholarship or a formal exegesis posted to Skullbrain of all places (in which absurd case I would have done my homework rather than riffing as we tend to do in the Whatever forum.) After years of controversy generated by Congressional acts in response to corporate lobbying by Disney (as well as Sony and other entities,) copyright to at least the early "Steamboat Willie" era versions of Mickey was indeed extended and did become a matter considered and augmented by intervention of the SCOTUS, although I evidently erred in recalling their specific role.
Lighten up, audio.
For what it's worth, I had deleted my prior post because I thought it came across as overly serious, over-analytical. A respected board member PM'd me to complain that he'd fashioned a response, but then saw that I'd deleted it. I reposted it in hopes that he'd post his response. So far that hasn't happened.
Missy, I'm sure the shirt would be fetching on you and that you could make it work.
DAMN. Sold out?
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