MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys

Discussion in 'Americans and Other Western Gaijin' started by Geobukgan, Aug 23, 2022.

  1. Geobukgan

    Geobukgan Toy Prince

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2012
    Messages:
    366
    Location:
    Bay Area
    Instagram:
    sup_stagram
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys


    FYI the lottery for the Futile Toys Space Dino is live. Really enjoying how fleshy and wrinkly this thing is. Anyone know anything about the maker? Not actually sure if they're Japan based.
     
  2. Roger

    Roger Die-Cast

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    Messages:
    8,049
    Location:
    New Jersey, USA
    Name:
    Roger
    Instagram:
    rogzilla71
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    Yeah, I was wondering the same thing about the maker myself. The dino is cool, would definitely fit in among many vintage sofubi.
     
  3. xSuicide Squadx

    xSuicide Squadx Super Deformed

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2013
    Messages:
    5,558
    Location:
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Name:
    Robert
    Instagram:
    manic_1mag3s
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    They’re an American based artist. This figure looks like the red standing and orange crawling Spinosaurus pachi by Miura Toy mashed together. The sculptor did fantastic work with the execution.
     
  4. michael

    michael Side Dealer

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2006
    Messages:
    2,455
    flickr:
    ghastlymichael
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    curious about the size- $120 seems a bit much for a two part toy
     
  5. xSuicide Squadx

    xSuicide Squadx Super Deformed

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2013
    Messages:
    5,558
    Location:
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Name:
    Robert
    Instagram:
    manic_1mag3s
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    Agreed. $120 seems to have replaced the comfortable standard of $65 for fight figures and similarly sized toys.
     
    SpectralNight likes this.
  6. akum6n

    akum6n Vintage

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2006
    Messages:
    7,309
    Location:
    Shima
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    For $120, I'm pretty sure you could still buy one of the originals.

    Aesthetically, the sculpt is well done in the style of the vintage Miura Toy mini dinos. Philosophically, I wonder why they chose to make something that is visually very similar to two of the vintage sculpts. Why not make something new that would complement the existing toys in the line? Yutani Shoten is doing a wonderful job with their Transformer vinyls that scale with the vintage TF vinyls. Similarly, the Shirahama T-Rex filled the Rex gap in the vintage Marusan dino line.

    I'm always happy to see a new pachi/dino vinyl toy, and hopefully the maker stays away from the bootleg of a bootleg of a bootleg pattern that we seem to see these days.
     
    patrickvaz, doomboy and hellopike like this.
  7. Roger

    Roger Die-Cast

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    Messages:
    8,049
    Location:
    New Jersey, USA
    Name:
    Roger
    Instagram:
    rogzilla71
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    If you read his older posts, the dinosaur design comes from a Turkish Star Trek knockoff movie.

    It looks like it could be 6 inches or so but I can't tell for sure.
     
    SpectralNight, eleggua and animator like this.
  8. Roger

    Roger Die-Cast

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    Messages:
    8,049
    Location:
    New Jersey, USA
    Name:
    Roger
    Instagram:
    rogzilla71
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
  9. Roger

    Roger Die-Cast

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    Messages:
    8,049
    Location:
    New Jersey, USA
    Name:
    Roger
    Instagram:
    rogzilla71
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    I asked him on Instagram, it's 6".
     
    Geobukgan likes this.
  10. Geobukgan

    Geobukgan Toy Prince

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2012
    Messages:
    366
    Location:
    Bay Area
    Instagram:
    sup_stagram
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    Welp, just saved myself $120 bucks.
     
    hellopike and xSuicide Squadx like this.
  11. akum6n

    akum6n Vintage

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2006
    Messages:
    7,309
    Location:
    Shima
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    Interesting, thanks. If it's a reference to a dinosaur image from an obscure movie, sculpted in the style of vintage dinos, then hats off to them. That's pretty deep. I wrongly assumed that they were just rehashing vintage dino vinyls.
     
    SpectralNight likes this.
  12. xSuicide Squadx

    xSuicide Squadx Super Deformed

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2013
    Messages:
    5,558
    Location:
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Name:
    Robert
    Instagram:
    manic_1mag3s
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    Cool to see the reference, but I think it looks way more like Miura Toy dinos than the source material of the poster. The chin - up angle of the head, the hanging downward hands, the feet, even the curl of the tail all look nearly identical to the red Spinosaurus. Longer, straighter, articulated arms and a more static - y spiked spine would’ve set it closer to the poster. I do get the feeling that Miura’s form was more the goal, and I tip my hat to the sculptor for makin’ that happen so closely.
     
    sharkbait likes this.
  13. animator

    animator Mr. Freshly Smacked Ass Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2008
    Messages:
    6,047
    Location:
    Hollywood
    Name:
    David
    Instagram:
    davidjcoffman
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    I can see both ideas coming through. A pachi/Miura style dino/kaiju referencing an obscure vintage poster. It's pretty rad, has great vintage inspired paint, and is something we haven't seen in a while. It's a fun take. Definitely want to see it with some vintage (or buta) dinos.

    In terms of price, I see stuff all over the place lately. I've recently paid $200+ at retail for a little android guy and the same for a giant mecha shark. Both were completely worth it and I'd do the same again, so I can't be a good judge. :?
     
    SpectralNight likes this.
  14. wingnut0

    wingnut0 Post Pimp

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2010
    Messages:
    2,999
    Location:
    Boston-ish
    Name:
    Patrick
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    It's a cool looking sculpt. Lots of character.
     
  15. EBIII

    EBIII Addicted

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2009
    Messages:
    950
    Location:
    Portland
    Name:
    Steven
    flickr:
    ebiii
    Instagram:
    LiverDiet
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    Unfortunately I didn't win. Really love the sculpt, it's a weird mash up of all things I like about toys. Sadly I find anything under $200 a steal now days. Which is why I don't buy much anymore :lol:
     
    SpectralNight likes this.
  16. jojo the dog faced boy

    jojo the dog faced boy Side Dealer

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2007
    Messages:
    2,082
    Location:
    Melting in the desert....
    Name:
    Jeremy
    flickr:
    jojothedogfacedboy
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    I dig the sculpt, design and inspiration of the toy, but I guess I'm just a cheap skate these days
    I can't justify that amount to the Missus for a 6 inch Dino toy. :twisted:
     
    coma21 likes this.
  17. sharkbait

    sharkbait Toy Prince

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2014
    Messages:
    140
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    Since price seems to be big caveat, what would be a reasonable price for a 6 inch two part dino? Personally I feel like a maker should price a toy as affordable as possible so anyone can get one.
     
    coma21 likes this.
  18. JoeMan

    JoeMan Mini Boss

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2007
    Messages:
    4,880
    Location:
    NY
    flickr:
    splurrt
    Instagram:
    splurrt
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    I strongly disagree, this thought basically says an artist/designer shouldn't profit off of their work for the benefit of a toy collector. You would never tell someone in another line of work, they should be making minimum wage or less than to pass the savings onto the customer.
    It's really hard to gauge, Japan these days is unreasonably expensive, to the point where it's nearly impossible to recoup and make money unless you price like these. Especially, there is no guarantee this toy will have a long life or collectors will take, you might need to rely on recouping costs with the first run or two in case interest dries up.
     
  19. Roger

    Roger Die-Cast

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    Messages:
    8,049
    Location:
    New Jersey, USA
    Name:
    Roger
    Instagram:
    rogzilla71
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    Yeah, it's impossible to say what a "fair price" is for a low-run vinyl toy. I've talked to some folks who do a 3x to 5x markup on the original cost per piece, but there are so many variables as to how the seller is going to price it:
    • How difficult/expensive it was to get the sculpt done, or tooling made, or obtain a license, or if there was a sudden spike in the cost of materials like we've been experiencing.
    • Whether or not the seller is trying to live on the income from selling the toys, or if it's a side hustle, or something they're just doing for personal satisfaction.
    • Their intentions for the profits, like paying off tooling costs within the first 50 or 100 or 500 pieces. Plus, ideally, you want to start funding the next figure with your sales from the current one.
    As a point of reference, you can get an individual Toho standard-sized clear Hedorah from Bullmark for Y8800/$65 plus shipping/etc. or a mid-sized clear Hedorah for Y5500/$42 plus shipping/etc. They are probably making each figure in quantities anywhere from 100 to 500. Obviously small makers, especially foreign ones, can't take advantage of the long-established supply chain or economies of scale that a company like Bullmark enjoys.

    So, I would expect to pay more for an individual figure to Small Maker X than I would to Bullmark. How much more? Well, how much burning toy lust does it stoke inside me? That's the answer.
     
  20. rattanicus

    rattanicus Mini Boss

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2012
    Messages:
    4,986
    Location:
    RVA
    Name:
    rei
    flickr:
    rattanicus
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    This.
     
    SpectralNight likes this.
  21. hellopike

    hellopike S7 Royalty

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2007
    Messages:
    3,835
    Location:
    Philadelphia
    Name:
    Phil
    Instagram:
    Hellopike
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    This is where I live these days. There’s lots of toys I see that I’d like to own. But I’m just a poor middle class laborer… I have to love a toy to justify a purchase.
     
    The Moog and patrickvaz like this.
  22. XVivaHateX

    XVivaHateX Addicted

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2010
    Messages:
    891
    Location:
    VA
    Name:
    Jonathan
    Instagram:
    xjaybirdx
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    This guy is really cool in hand. A long lost Miura toy for sure. For those that were curious about the size

    [​IMG]
     
  23. SpectralNight

    SpectralNight Toy Prince

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2017
    Messages:
    299
    Location:
    Oregon
    Name:
    Robb
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    As@animator mentioned above, they have such a great classic approach to the paint applications.

    This latest lottery release makes me think of those vintage dinosaur illustrations where every inch of the Earth seemed to be covered in active volcanoes and magma casting a fiery glow from below

    .
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
    GERMS, The Moog, EBIII and 6 others like this.
  24. jojo the dog faced boy

    jojo the dog faced boy Side Dealer

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2007
    Messages:
    2,082
    Location:
    Melting in the desert....
    Name:
    Jeremy
    flickr:
    jojothedogfacedboy
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    I never meant my statement above to cast dispersions on an artist asking what they want for their art. It is highly subjective what someone feels that their work is worth in this small field. I can't even imagine what it takes to get a toy made, what with sculpting, wax, molds making, as well as all the heartache and troubles that go along the way in the production of these hunks of vinyl.
    I was just stating that for me, it would have to really trigger my yearnings to spend the amount in question for said item. While I appreciate some makers keeping items affordable, I would never try to tell someone else what their efforts are worth in the marketplace.

    Speaking to this new version, I really like the colors on this new one. The red vinyl looks great with the green and silver sprays. But ultimately I have to ask myself, is this something that you can justify spending the amount on? Does it trigger something in you to want to own it?
    And for me, ultimately it was a no, but then again I am not trying to say that the toy isn't worth the amount, it just is not to me at this time.
    I wish this maker nothing but success, as it is plain to see that they have a love for these funky hunks of plastic, and they seem to have a respect of the history for what has come before.
     
    Fig Belly likes this.
  25. Fig Belly

    Fig Belly Comment King

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2006
    Messages:
    1,231
    Location:
    Portland oregon
    flickr:
    eatballs
    Instagram:
    bananapoons
    MUDA MUDA MUDA! Futile Toys
    All agreed on. The toy looks fantastic. Every artist has the right to charge whatever they want. It's their art. For me where it gets sticky is... there doesn't seem to be a lot of history or provinence (oh shit I really can't spell right now) with this piece. When someone like Biskup or Chris johanson charges hundreds for seemingly very simple pieces there are decades of history, and hard work inside each of those drawings. Butanohana spent years where NOBODY gave a sh*t, and although you may pay a hundred bucks for a simple 2 piece dinosaur because they are so hard to get. His retail is still VERY regular. my 1 unsolicited cent.
     

Share This Page