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  1. kid_miracleman

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    Honestly there is so much gray zone in this discussion and we should collectively appreciate that a bit more IMO.

    @Rich is right (to some extent). I had people talking shit about "flippers" at my show. Why were they flippers? Because they're not on Instagram and they were on the phone a bunch. Yes, that was the "evidence" I was provided; frantic behavior and the simple fact they didn't know someone. The reality? It was a family of collectors; mom and dad were there on the phone with their kids to confirm what they wanted as well. I later saw the mom at Five Points Fest hanging out at James Groman's booth (she was customer #1 and the first thing she bought was a James Groman piece) and I saw the son at the last Death's Vault. I'll be honest; I got riled up at first when people I trust with MVH tattoos were telling me they were flippers, but in reality they ended up being super gracious and thankful to me for simply throwing a show they enjoyed. Maybe we shouldn't be so liberal with pulling out the pitchforks sometimes, and I say that as a guy with a reputation for rabble rousing.

    But on the flip side, when does it end? What is the functional difference between asking a family member or just some random dude to mule for you? What if you had 5 mules? 10? What if you had all your friends entering for a lotto? I know for a fact a bunch of people here do that all the time and they've ended up with duplicates or even triplicates of hype stuff. Who is the better fan; the one with the largest collection or the one that wants to share the love amongst the community? If one guy who is well-prepared ends up SUPER loaded up with sofubi, is that cool because he's a fan even if it means 9 other people end up with nothing? It's hard to say.

    I will say this hobby could really be better off with a lot less greed and a lot more chill. The collectors who will never be happy no matter how much they own is frankly ridiculous, and the amount of money they are throwing reminds me of the behavior of a junkie. Anyone who has ever done hard drugs or knows people who have knows that this chasing the proverbial (or in the case of the maker, literal) dragon never ends up good. If you're selling toys it's a really hard balance between gaining new fans and keeping old fans happy. I think guys like Pus are probably the most generally balanced with the friends and family sales, even if maybe the management of that system is a bit militant.

    I don't know what the answer is because it will depend on the situation. I don't think the dudes who ran Game of Hope had this list in their heads of who is a Mori collector, who is there to help a Mori collector and who is there to make a buck, so to some extent their hands are tied. I think @Rich 's coin system is a very interesting idea that will be improved over time, but the reality is few artists can manage the logistics of such a system or candidly even have the need to.
     
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    When it comes to managing shows, more of us are speaking from the collector side than the artist side.
    There are ways to reduce line cutting and ambiguous rules, that don't require too much effort. Things like wristbands and the like. Giving clear rules that are not lengthy and ambiguous.

    There are ways to weed out unsavory buyers too, but they always require more effort on the part of the artist. I am always grateful to anyone who sets up an RSVP type system, whether by just taking names in advance and doing it "live" or whether done more behind the scenes (but people of course at least say they like transparency).

    As an example of artists who I admired their methods:

    Splurrt, pre show lottery, live drawing at the show
    Real head (tokyo), RSVP, draw lots at the show
    Instinctoy, pre show lottery, line order provided by email
    MVH, RSVP for line order provided by day of show
    Refreshment, 2 separate line ups, with one being "priority pass" holders (pre-show lotto)

    The thing is, very few methods are perfect and there is always room to improve. So my hats off to the guys who do something like this AND keep trying to improve it.
     
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    @Rich knows I almost sent my brother to DV at one point for a release when I couldn't make the trek. He lives a half hour away. It didn't happen and I was only after one thing. Can't say I find that to be a big deal. I've also had a friend mule for me on the west coast when it was something I knew I wouldn't have a chance on anywhere else. Like @kid_miracleman said with the right amount of "chill" I don't find it offensive. If you aren't looking to greedily get everything you could possibly get its ok for a special occasion. Spread that love people.
     
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    The key is just doing a pre-show registry. So people can't just recruit random people to help them. You'll always have some fuckery and people still having theit bf/gf entering too, but it keeps it much more honest. Just telling people to show up at the opening is never going to go smoothly.
     
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    I can speak to the efficiency of this. I’m pretty removed from the artist now but a few years ago I hosted a Nag lotto at a show and by making participants register, it pretty much made the lotto exempt from flippers. I can’t recall exactly why but it was easy... they didn’t want to share their instagram or names? I don’t know. People can poo poo registration but fuck it, it worked. *shrugs shoulders emoji.*
     
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    Fuck Baby Yoda.
     
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    Whoa I am offended by this lol
     
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    I’d like to throw a biiiiiggggg fat FUCK YOU out there to the collector that tried to get a lil loud with me in the Game of Hope line. If u want me to follow your rules, u can come and swallow my jewels. Get over your self and grow the fuck up you child. I DONT WANT YOUR LIFE.
     
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    man you can't speak vague drama like that and not give details!
     
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    I noticed you rhyme a lot and I appreciate that.
     
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    Awww, thanks Tim! I appreciate you.
     
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    Think this one might be on me. I showed my ass assuming you were buying when you weren't, and I'm doubly sorry if I sounded insincere while apologising afterwards. Hope I didn't spoil your show.
     
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    :roll::roll:
    Haha, I ain’t ever seen a try hard have 2 try 2 b so hard :roll:
     
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    Fuck you to the flippers trying to flip the new MVH chibis from DCon for $1,000.

    You fucking SUCK!
     
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    This is so ridiculous.. No one is going to pay that price. Rich has already mentioned that there are more chibis on the way and to fuck those prices. I really really want a pair but there’s no way in hell I’d ever consider paying that much.
     
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    I’ll take two, they’re small.
     
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    It’s $1,000 for the pair, so you’d get em at $500 each!! An absolute STEAL!!! Better jump on it!
     
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    Someone just posted the pair on auction for $200. Hope they don't go up too high
     
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    We've discussed this before. You need to get 3, so you can display in a pyramid formation.
     
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    I’m staying off the fucking internet for the rest of the goddamn day...:evil:

    Fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you. Have a good day.
     
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    Buying was as fair as could be though for the marble chibis, it was the luck of the spin. You waited in line for a chance to purchase one item, if you didn’t get the correct color ball, back of the line you go for another chance. Not defending at all but flippers purchased fair and square this time around. Didn’t matter if you were VIP/vendor, everyone was on the same level playing field. I went through the line twice and gave up. It was the first line I went to Saturday morning and it easily took up at least 2 hours of my day.
     
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    Never got a second chance. :?
     
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    Whoever the chibi flipper is, they have Itokin Park and lots of Disney stuff, so they had good luck that day.

    Also, F-you, leaves!!!! And wind....definitely, the wind. Couldn't blow with me, eh?! Had to be opposite to my pile!!
     
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    That's why the first time I tried I didn't bother again. To much time was wasted on the first one and there was a lot to see still that day.
     
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