Discussion in 'Other Asian Toys' started by badteethcomics, Oct 31, 2017.
Those bootlegs should be like $40 max, lol. So shitty
It's obviously rather an economic & judicial than a "cultural" thing, you moron. And of course no American "artist" ever made resin bootlegs of hyped Japanese toys...
this dude changes his IG name more than his underwear.
He tried to tell me it was'nt him at DV, and he's never been to the mainland, yet also told rich, why did you post a picture of me? and thats the dude that was at DV with the gf or wife, and kid that threw up on the damn couch.
we kind of laughed, apparently you can buy Dago's collection for 15 million US lol.
^ @dago I hope he's splitting that $877,799.00 with you for selling your DX collection
This is ridiculous.
yeah, and converted its 15million lol
A lot of your assumptions here are totally incorrect. China is a giant hub of manufacturing. Many people from around the world use China to bootleg all kinds of things and it has nothing to do with Chinese "youth" or "culture" at all. It is just where the world make products. Some of the biggest bootleggers of all time were Americans who were using China to produce stuff(Nikes,Jordans,handbags)and got caught after making millions of dollars because the dangerous part is the fact they need to get the product into the USA for selling. So on many occasions our government has been able to seize product at ports and set up stings to catch the people behind it. The biggest Jordan bootlegger ever caught was using the same factory that made legit Jordans and having them take leftover supplies and produce colorways that never actually existed after hours. He was American, not Chinese. Asking if "manufacturing of other people's ideas is a foundation of their existence" is ridiculous. It's a factory job. They work an assembly line. They don't know if this color or that color is "fake" or "real" because they can't afford the products they help create in the first place. Many of the factories that produce "bootleg" things produce legit things as well. It's just work. If some factory is making thousands upon thousands of Disney toys or Marvel stuffed animals and gets an order for 10,000 mvh dx figures it's just another job. Not some grand plot or cultural maneuver to appropriate someone's work or culture. It takes ONE person from anywhere in the world with a chunk of money and that's all. Blame should be specific and not some blanket tossed over the country or the race of whoever happens to be involved.
I asked a month ago, and got nothing... sooooooo anyone have any leads, PM. (save your bootleg DXs, 4 eyes only plz). thanks!
I'd just say consider being bootlegged a sign of success.
If someone is charging $600 for a toy that is easily reproducible for 5 dollars, people are going to bootleg it.
especially in the global epicenter of toy production, China.
They toy market mirrors the Sneaker, and fine art market in allot of ways.
It's simulated by artists, dealers then fans decide if they are willing too pay.
And Fans undoubtable pay, flip, resale and the market grows from there.
if some one asked me if I wanted to buy a 45$ bootleg of a 500$ hype beast toy, I would srsly considerer it just because I'm fucking the system.
Would I? I don't know... depends. Deff not on a nagnagnag, those get 0$
When I was a kid I would get bootleg jordans. Why? Because we couldn't afford legit ones and I wasn't going to wear wallmart shoes and get clowned on.
A different issue altogether, and in Japan, but certainly related to this fiasco: I wonder what can be done about Mandarake selling stolen items? Are the regulations for pawn type shops the same in Japan as it is in the US? Considering the reaction to the guy stealing from Mandarake a few years back, I would think they have a pretty good system for tracking sellers in their stores. Not that anything could necessarily be done legally from here, but I would think Mandarake certainly wouldn't want word to get out that they are buying and selling stolen goods.
-this is in reference to Rich's post about the bernie/sludge set that showed up on Mandarake then ebay that Rich said was stolen from the factory, and Joe (splurrt) mentioned the same happened to his toys recently.
Mandarake responded since and said they are looking into it
Most stolen goods go through a Fence and then too a shop. I assume It's probably that way in japan, and china aswell
where's that dude who used to fly off the handle on the BST and declare he's a lawyer?
he would probably know!
I wouldn't worry about theft guys, it's a crime of opportunity probably carried out by the same person. I made Lulubell aware a while back and they will sort it out. I think we've heard about some random thefts here and there over time but I'm sure this person will be dealt with.
You guys are all wrong, I will never be caught!! Bwah-hahaha-ha!
Really though, before this thread gets any more out of hand, it seems like we are dealing with three completely separate issues of contention:
bootlegging of toys, to try and cash in on a lucrative, high-demand market
the usual generic sales scams offering 'X' for sale, which is currently a popular item, and undertaking action which easily skirts the rules enough/has little to no fallback against the individual to make it worthwhile
outright theft of opportunity or planning
These aren't necessarily things which can be glumped together, nor can we say with any certain sense of conviction that they are connected. So before we start throwing mass shade, let's just agree that any business where there is money changing hands, or opportunities to be taken advantage of - no matter how small even - is going to inevitably garner the attention of a certain group of individuals who might not bear the same more compunctions as the general populace. It is hardly new, nor is it any way confined to one (or a few) hobbies, or a particular geographic locale.
I am sorry that any of this is happening, but I just think it's best if we are honest and up front with our expectations. Hopefully all of those responsible will face some kind of judgement for their actions.
@dago you better up that Homeowners/renters inc.
Agree with the posts or not - at least the poking and prodding has encouraged some substantial discussion here on SB!
(Substantial for the most part - @bunnyboy and @Waterbear can continue devoting every second of their lives to monitoring my posts keep it up fellas. Maybe look up 'virtue signalling' before you go blowing your trumpets too loudly)
The hell is your problem?
You literally asked questions and I took the time to answer them so now every second of my life is devoted to you somehow?
How the hell am I "blowing my own trumpet" by sharing facts about China that had nothing to do with me?
I was perfectly straight-forward and respectful in answering your QUESTIONS so insulting me makes no sense at all. I've never had an issue with you before so attacking me for trying to help is pretty lame.
Sold to the best offer
Honestly chill, don’t derail your own thread.
@Waterbear my main problem was the amount of paraphrasing in your post - and you're right, we have never had an issue before so I guess that got me wound up more after reading claims that I was "(tossing a blanket) over the country or the race of whoever happens to be involved". Anyway - back to subject at hand. There's enough bullshit going down with MVH/Splurrt/Shirahama toys without getting caught up in petty stuff between us. Although bunnybutt is still on my shit list.
You're right Mike. I was looking forward to some more insights from you especially when I made this thread, you were pretty vocal on insta a couple of days ago about it.
Says the guy who accuses others of "virtue-signalling" (and "paraphrasing too much") after being called out for blathering on ignorantly about bootlegging being a "cultural thing" for several paragraphs & posts. Nicely done!
Still to actually see any bootlegged sofubi!
Seems like a very niche, fickle and discerning market to warrant going to the expense of bootlegging (although a lot of you guys do have hard-ons for some malformed crap).
From 6,0000 miles away . . . stolen product and/or Paypal scams seem way more likely.
Australians talking about culture. I love irony!
Persons, No matter what, let’s remember we love each other!
And that any disputes can be solved with a FOOT RACE!
On the real though, bootlegging is a universal thing.
Creatively speaking, Most 1st world cultures exist in a super flat realm.
Where ideas are appropriated, rationalized, and then made art out of.
The big thing in America right now are StarWars mashup bootlegs.
The idea is created/prototyped in America, mass produced in China, sold in America, to then be cut up and cast into new art in America.
Is it new art? What is the cultural, artistic relevance?
Is it a bootleg? Or is it art about toys?
Some of my favorite toys are bootlegs, objects that created their own narrative through being misunderstood by the maker.
Look at those old bootleg Godzilla toys, those are some of the most pricey and saught after Sofuvi that exist.
On the China tip...
I think Indy dudes in China are making some of the best stuff out right now.
Who better to push the limits of the toys game than people who make the most.
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