Let me preface this with: I really fucking hate Jimmy Fallon!, but this is slightly amusing. Especially when Cranston and Paul make an appearance (Cranston throwing a pizza): http://mashable.com/2013/09/12/jimmy-fa ... -main-link
So now that it's been given the green light, do folks think that "Better Call Saul" is a great idea, or maybe too much of a good thing? Whatever they do with it, it's going to have a very tough uphill battle with what will probably be unfairly high expectations. Saul's an incredible character and Odenkirk is the greatest, but can he stand on his own as the main character without Walt and Jesse? We'll see!
As much as I love Bob Odenkirk going back to Mr Show etc I just think this kind of a reach on AMC's part. Saul Goodman is a great character, but it seems a bit of a money grab now that they are losing Breaking Bad and Mad Men. AMC is kind of losing its appeal to me. Walking Dead is definitely going down the tubes writing wise, although I suspect a large part of that record breaking audience is not tuning in for story lines anymore (just gore and Daryl). The Killing was ok this season. I thought the end kind of fizzed out. Hell on Wheels and the new Low Winter Sun...ehhhhh. Hell on Wheels got dull and Winter Sun is not catching me just right. The writing never moves forward just circles over an over it seems. Never liked Mad Men.
Nobody likes Low Winter Sun. I read the trade articles too quickly. I didn't realize that "Better Call" is proposed as a prequel to "Breaking Bad." So maybe Saul won't survive the current series?
I really want Saul to survive. I dont look at the fact that its a prequel as any indication he won't. I just think its maybe a better idea for them to go through how Saul got started or atleast before he met Walt. Imagine all the shit that could happen to him between becoming a lawyer and turning into what he is on the show. Dunno if they would go back that far though They can also bring back dead characters if they wanted.
It definitely sounds promising but as far as I know there's very few shows that have succeeded with spinoffs. Plus there is no way that it could ever compete with its predecessor. With Saul being the only BB character on the show it really limits the direction this show could take. I'd still watch it since I really enjoy Odenkirk's character. And as far as AMC goes, i'll finish off Mad Men next year, and will continue to watch Walking Dead but that's pretty much it. Seems like AMC's quality shows are just about done. I dont see WD ever reaching the level of depth of mad men or BB. Low winter sun is flopping from what I hear, never bothered with it. Also, AMC announced the cancelling of the Killing, so theres that too.. and what's Hell on Wheels???
Walking Dead is one of the most poorly written shows on TV IMO. Season 1 was great, Season 2 on the farm got dull but overall ended well, Season 3 was just a load of garbage going back an forth btw the stupid prison and Woodbury with the most anti-climatic ending of a season in the history of television (given the build up). I have no hope for season 4. Hell on Wheels lol...here's how they can make that better: Bohannon blasts Durant in the head while running over the magical Swede (I mean really who lives through a fall like that into a shallow river?) with a train. Then the whole town of characters you could care less about die...preferably in a Indian Massacre. The rest of the show can just be about Bohannon solo going on adventures out west. That would be a better show. Not this swill. Anyhow back to BB sorry for the digression...
Don't tell me! Can't watch this till like 5am, I've already got the coffee set to brew and my headset by my computer desk as to not wake the woman. I'm dying to check the internet right now to find out what happened but I really want to be surprised. Deaths I'm sure...
What Bryce said, hold tight, it will have your jaw hitting the floor for the entire epp. I can't see how they can possibly top this episode.
I still believe their is some redemption in Walt. As good an episode this was. We've seen 4 seasons where walt comes up on top. He's smart and a planner. I'm in the 1% but believe he is smarter and a better planner then all of his counterparts. Season 4 ended on the perfect note. I'm pulling for the same for 5.
Spoiler Did he really want Jesse to die though? I feel like he would want Jesse to live after all after Hank died. I don't think there's any way he could have planned for Todd to step in and "save" Jesse... And the look on Jesse's face when he relies he's "chained" and forced to make meth
Pretty sure I know how it ends after some of the more subtle storytelling from this episode (the opening flashback/Walt's conflicted emotions).. Read below for a serious prediction Spoiler The heavy artillery in the truck from the flash forward makes sense now... I'm guessing Walt finds out about the blue being produced, is forced to come out of hiding and save Jesse from the Aryan gang.. Either due to the blue being produced by somebody other than himself, or his guilt becomes overwhelming and he wants to try and do one last good thing for his own sanity ie save Jesse.. However I don't think this will be even close enough to redeem him. It's not going to be a happy ending for any of the remaining characters in this show.. It seems like a cheesy ending, but I'm sure it's going to be as dark as a 'damsel in distress' rescue story can get
Wow what an episode! OK here's some thoughts: Spoiler Loved that flashback opening. I knew Gomez and Hank were goners, I only wish Gomez got a death scene rather than just a casualty lying there. I think Walt gave Jesse up because he blames him for the mess in the desert. It was Jesse who was a rat that got them all there. Hence him revealing that juicy bit about Jane to drive the knife deeper. Anyhow here's how I think it will end- Walt's gone, the only thing that will make him come back is what the white supremacists are going to do to his family. That's the loose end that Jesse was talking about when Todd brought him up to cook. They're probably going to kill his whole family as instructed by Lydia. Walt hears about it on the news in NH and that's what that M60 is for. I think Jesse has been written to stay alive to be the one that actually kills Walt in the end after the big shoot out. Oh and Dean did you catch the best easter egg- when Walt is rolling that barrel in the desert he rolls it right by the pair of pants he lost from that first cook in season1!
Not gonna use the spoiler tag, but if anyone hasn't caught up, please don't read this far into the thread. I missed that detail Lixx, but that's a superb catch. By that point my head was already spinning. But the "full circle" aspect that detail contributes to has been on my mind a lot lately. As another detail, a couple of episodes ago, Skyler and Marie had a similar jewelry feature in common. Both were wearing circular discs ... Marie wearing one as a necklace pendant, Skyler as two earrings. At the time, I thought this might signify that Skyler had split into two selves: The one who had made the deal with the devil, and the other who was still the mother holding the family together no matter what the cost. By contrast, Marie only had one disc because she was never corrupted, as these past few episodes have illustrated so strongly. So was the bridal portrait of Marie, with its echoes of Catholic imagery of the Virgin Mary standing alone, featured hanging on the wall above the characters in the background quite prominently in the past couple of episodes. I had momentarily misinterpreted that to mean that Marie would be the first in the family to die. Nah, was simpler and more meaningful than that. It foreshadowed she'd be left standing alone, her husband a sacrifice for "good." These women have been dismissed far too much by some viewers. They're every bit as integral to the morality play as the three main men, The most obvious circular convention is the To'hajiilee site in the desert, site of the first cook and the big showdown. It's certainly resonant that it's in the American desert, doubly so that it's on sacred First Nation land. The opening sequence of last night's episode also suggested that something significant was going to happen with Holly, but the viewer's initial fear that it would be something awful or murderous was just a McGuffin. The truth is that Walt used her to make himself appear even more evil than he actually is (which is considerably evil) so as to protect his family from his legal or mortal fate. He abducted Holly and degraded himself on the phone with Skyler knowing full well that he'd return the child unharmed, and that agents were listening in to the call. When speculating about what happens next, don't forget that Vince Gilligan has a profound sense of morality, and isn't going to betray that just for the sake of shoot 'em up drama in a vacuum. And on that note... Sometime in the past couple of years, Bryan Cranston appeared as the interview guest on The Daily Show. At some point, Jon Stewart mentioned meth, and Cranston, without missing a beat, emphatically said "just stop using." Meth isn't just a prop-like catalyst for the principles on this show. Everything about this show comes back to what methamphetamine and the business around it does to people. It's insidious in the way that it perverts individuals without their even realizing it. That point may not have always seemed to have been at the forefront of the show, but it's one of the most literal and clear things that the show has to say. Hard drugs are evil. No way around it. The color blue of Heisenberg's batches signifies the azure allure of the meth high, the seduction. The swastika tattoos of the Aryan gang also drive home the point that the worst people in the world, or if you prefer, the devil or evil itself are the only entities who, in the end, truly profit from the meth plague. This is why the Aryans got the bulk of the loot. Last night's episode almost rubs "do you still love Walter White, and if so, what's wrong with you?" in your face. But I suspect that in the end, viewers will also be forgiven for our fascination with Walter, because despite all the evil things he's done, his one redeeming trait is that in the end, as was intended in the beginning, there will be sacrifice for family. If I'm wrong about this, I'll be very surprised. Otherwise, I'm feeling kinda devastated by the episode. I actually had complex dreams last night that my own family had been tangentially caught up in some horrible tale of crime and punishment, LOL. Maybe these last few episodes aren't the best thing to watch just before going to sleep.
ep14 . . . what a great episode . . . its so cool BB is going out with all guns blazing. I never expected Hank to die like that and the part where Jesse slides that chain along and notices the photo of Andrea & Brock . . . holy shit!! ^^ I did'nt spot that . . . that is genius!
