Change in direction?

Discussion in 'Compliments & Comments' started by Taro, Oct 4, 2006.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Roger

    Roger Vintage

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    Messages:
    7,968
    Location:
    New Jersey, USA
    Name:
    Roger
    Instagram:
    rogzilla71
    Change in direction?
    I agree, but I was also including you.
     
  2. Taro

    Taro Line of Credit

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2005
    Messages:
    1,642
    Location:
    Perelandra
    Change in direction?
    If I am attacked for asking a valid question, do you expect me to just say nothing?

    Please give me your suggestion at what point I went wrong, or should not have responded.

    I am asking because I value your opinion.
     
  3. Roger

    Roger Vintage

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    Messages:
    7,968
    Location:
    New Jersey, USA
    Name:
    Roger
    Instagram:
    rogzilla71
    Change in direction?
    Yep.
    Any time that someone responded with something that didn't address the topic and add to a sensible discussion about it. It would have just ended right there. Instead we now have a thread that's over 100 posts long, and at least 80 of those are just static.
     
  4. Anti Social Andy

    Anti Social Andy Die-Cast

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2006
    Messages:
    10,172
    Location:
    The Grim North
    Change in direction?
    Man, Ramos is gonna kill you all dead when he gets home . . .

    IMO Only Mr Flynn can answer this question, it's his train set and he can do what he likes with it! . . . whether it was a conscious change or just natural evolution requires a response only he, or people involved in the editorial decision making process of the magazine, can make.
     
  5. Locomoco

    Locomoco Die-Cast

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2006
    Messages:
    8,143
    Location:
    San Mateo
    Change in direction?
    No no no... all we have to do is delete each response in backwards order, and he'll never know it happened...
     
  6. Roger

    Roger Vintage

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    Messages:
    7,968
    Location:
    New Jersey, USA
    Name:
    Roger
    Instagram:
    rogzilla71
    Change in direction?
    That's actually not a bad idea.
     
  7. datadub

    datadub S7 Royalty

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2005
    Messages:
    3,599
    Location:
    Tokyo!!!
    Change in direction?
    to be blunt the cover has to move the mag off the shelves...
    Kaws moves mags... but as long as its got good innards I will be content..

    (haven't seen it yet)
     
  8. Anti Social Andy

    Anti Social Andy Die-Cast

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2006
    Messages:
    10,172
    Location:
    The Grim North
    Change in direction?
    Although it would require co-operation and co-ordination to work towards a positive conclusion . . . . . .













































    . . . . . . I'd say yer fucked! :D
     
  9. Taro

    Taro Line of Credit

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2005
    Messages:
    1,642
    Location:
    Perelandra
    Change in direction?
    I agree with you from a rational standpoint. But still feel conflicted emotionally about this. There is another thread on this board started tonite by Frank that I have not responded to that has a gleeful idiotic hurtful life of its own. The only purpose of that thread was to create conflict and controversy, as far as I can tell. I am sure Frank and his underlings will deny that, but the intent is obvious.

    For some reason, I continue to feel that by responding and defending myself, the fools will expose themselves for what they really are; and that at least somebody will express agreement regarding all the bs, even if they are afraid to speak out publicly and only communicate by PMs (like many people do). Perhaps that is what makes me such an attractive target for the many compulsive baiters and flamers that populate this board. They know that they can get a rise out of me because I am willing to defend myself.

    For all of the chastizing and pain and everything else that people supposedly went through in the last couple of weeks, I don't sense that anything at all has changed. After a short period of relative calm, things are quickly reverting to the old gang circle jerk. And I am not optimistic, unfortunately, that Brian or Isaac will do anything about it despite their strong statements otherwise.
     
  10. irsk

    irsk Toy Prince

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    227
    Change in direction?
    Actually yes. If you think people are bullying you, then the best thing to do is ignore them - if bully/attention seeker gets no reaction, then s/he stops action because it's no longer fun. This isn't the middle-ages - you don't need to fight for your honor.
     
  11. Pogue

    Pogue Die-Cast

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2005
    Messages:
    8,218
    Change in direction?
    Geo - I think the point is Kaws is a (or the) crossover between east & west. Kaws was inspired by Japanese toy companies, Medicom is a Japanese toy company, many of the sculpts are by Japanesse designers and Kaws has a store in Japan. The "Mikey as monster" concept is much more Kaiju than Tonka Truck.

    In the end how could they pass up the chance to do a Kaws article? It might be a new direction or it might just be a one off deal, I have no idea. We all know a single data point does not tell you much. Wait until the next issue and it might be more clear where they are headed.

    The one thing I am sure of is Super7 magazine is the best toy porn in the world.

    PS. Frank - water is the source of all life.
     
  12. Taro

    Taro Line of Credit

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2005
    Messages:
    1,642
    Location:
    Perelandra
    Change in direction?
    Again, I am not objecting to the Kaws article... but pointed it out as what I thought might be signaling a change in direction.
     
  13. Taro

    Taro Line of Credit

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2005
    Messages:
    1,642
    Location:
    Perelandra
    Change in direction?
    What does anyone need to fight for, then?
     
  14. el maz

    el maz Comment King

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2005
    Messages:
    1,355
    Location:
    lost angeles
    Change in direction?
    [​IMG]
     
  15. liquidsky

    liquidsky Vintage

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2005
    Messages:
    7,725
    Change in direction?
    [​IMG]
     
  16. Locomoco

    Locomoco Die-Cast

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2006
    Messages:
    8,143
    Location:
    San Mateo
    Change in direction?
    When I see that response, it makes me think that you want to get into fights...
     
  17. Roger

    Roger Vintage

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    Messages:
    7,968
    Location:
    New Jersey, USA
    Name:
    Roger
    Instagram:
    rogzilla71
    Change in direction?
    Here's what is really happening: by defending yourself, you are giving them exactly what they want: an emotional reaction. You may hope that somehow they will be exposed as fools and you will be vindicated when people agree with you, but it's not going to work out that way. Even if it did it would contribute nothing to the long-term health of the board.

    Trust me. I've seen this drama played out a thousand times online over the last twenty years.

    So here's my suggestion. Don't take things so personally and let things roll off your back. If you start threads like this one, one that promotes a straightforward discussion without trying to push any buttons, and people act like jerks to you, then just let them act like jerks. Others will see them act like jerks, and hopefully those others will avoid starting more conflict by not calling them out on it. It's that simple.

    I have this to say to everybody: there are more and more people coming to this place every day as the magazine gains exposure. You are acting like idiots in front of a larger and larger audience. If you want this place to grow like the magazine is, then you're going to have to change and adapt instead of this petty crap that goes on here day in, day out.

    And I'll go one step further (what the hell, may as well overstep at this point), and speak for the people that run this place by saying that they think that all of the drama that goes on here is stupid and pointless, and they have no idea why any of it happens. They mention it almost every time I talk to them about the board. If you keep demonstrating this to them, then this place will cease to exist one day.
     
  18. LamourSupreme

    LamourSupreme Mini Boss

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2006
    Messages:
    4,010
    Location:
    now
    Change in direction?
    ^beautifully stated Roger. End of thread.
     
  19. Count

    Count Post Pimp

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2005
    Messages:
    2,974
    Change in direction?
    Wait a fucking minute Roger, are you actually saying that the internet has been around for twenty years!

    :shock:
     
  20. kidclam

    kidclam Mini Boss

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2006
    Messages:
    4,251
    Change in direction?
    Spoiler: Potential Clam Baking material.

    Well it seems that Super7 has always been open minded in more ways than many of you imagine. Besides going straight into Kaiju toy section, have you guys actually looked at the other sections on their site? They have been promoting artists for a long time, and most are non Japanese. Having KAWS on the cover is great (You can't deny greatness.) he is hot topic at the moment and appeals to many other people who are not neccessary hard core Kaiju addicts. I hope by having this cover that Super7 will get more converters and they make more money and put that money back into making a thicker magazine. Change is good.

    Super7 has always been about being open minded. I remember buying from their online store for the first time a few years back. Issac or someone from Super7 emailed me back about my work, and whether I would be interested in putting my work up on their site to sell. So I think they are quite open arms to any one which is I think is very refreshing to see since it extends beyond pigeon holing (is this the term?) themselves as Japanese/US store.

    I think if S7 start looking at other issues besides just toys then is totalling cool. Having a magazine that has a broader appeal will not damage it's cred, it'll only expand the readership. If they keep up with the same quality of articles as Kozik says, then it can only be good.

    For all those of you who don't collect RAH figs, all Medicom toys are made in China. So is all the Michael Lau and Eric So toys. Your high priced sneakers are from China, India, Sri Lanka or Vietnam.

    I am not taking sides however I don't think Geo was being controversial at all or trying to be making a fuss. I don't understand why people read into things and start a fight? Maybe it's just this one way type of forum conversation that creates antagonism?? We should not be comforming to what everyone here "expects" you should say, but have the environment where we can have our own opinions. The unexpected is refreshing whether you like it or not.
     
  21. kidclam

    kidclam Mini Boss

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2006
    Messages:
    4,251
    Change in direction?
    I agree with Roger. It's Kaiju 90210 here.
     
  22. Pogue

    Pogue Die-Cast

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2005
    Messages:
    8,218
    Change in direction?
    my point the kaws article is not a change in direction, his toys have a lot of japanese aspects to them.
     
  23. Frank Kozik

    Frank Kozik Mini Boss

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Messages:
    4,668
    Change in direction?
    ok I'll explain it to you.

    I think you collect toys in order to seek 'the purity of the OTHER' in order to feel more secure in the cosmos. Seeking the OTHER is a sort of weird thing about our society. In addition, those who are at the farthest remove from the OTHER, an example being say a 55 year old retired white guy in michigan obssessing over reproductions of plastic childrens toys from japan) is really strange. It reminds me of Gen Rippers odd behavior in Dr Strangelove and his obsession with 'Purity of Essence'. The Ripper qoute is a tangential comment on my original purity post. I find it personally amusing.

    for the record I enjoy painkillers, but only when in pain.


    *catches breath*

    I will try, in the future, to be completely literal in my commentary and in no way assume a certain reader of my posts has the ability to uderstand cross-connected pop culture references.
     
  24. Frank Kozik

    Frank Kozik Mini Boss

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Messages:
    4,668
    Change in direction?
    as to Kaws, my personal opinion,based on 10 years of travelling to and working with 'pop culture' in Japan and its fans here is that while Kaws influence on ' Neo Kaiju' for alack of a better term has had little or no influence, but on a lot of other areas of RELATED art and design his influnce both here, in Asia and in Europe is beyond measure. He is completely successfully a bridge between east and west indie and corporate. Kaws is one for the history books, and , additionally, he is a reclusive type and S&'s article is a sort of gigantic coup for them. It will dramatically impact their presence in a positive manner.
     
  25. cornbluth

    cornbluth Line of Credit

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2005
    Messages:
    1,739
    Location:
    we love it
    Change in direction?
    geo -


    are you a retired 55 year old white man in michigan?
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page