I am still not entirely convinced that not-locke is the "bad" guy and jacob's people are the "good" guys...seems a little too obvious for this show, no? it's never been about black and white. why is it assumed Jacob is the good? what good has he brought to the lives of any of these characters, really? seems like most of his actions are selfish ones... Ben's episode was interesting and different from the others thus far in that he seemingly is the only one who has "found" himself in both the island universe and the alternate universe. all the others have been finding themselves in the alternate reality, while on the island they're more fucked than ever so far. show's still great, I wish twin peaks could have been this good for half as many seasons this has.
if all 26 or so episodes had been good, I wouldn't feel bummed they couldn't sustain it...maybe half are actually decent.
Yes, good call. It's hard to think of Jacob as "good" when you think about how many lives he interfered with and more or less messed up. I loved that the Temple leader's name was revealed as "Dogon." Another apparent cultural reference to mull on. If anyone doesn't know, the Dogon tribe of Mali are known for a complex and unusual religious mythos which includes an alleged belief in humanity's origins near the star Sirius and nightly visitations by a smokey snake-like creature which has magical life-force powers.
Ever get the impression that the LOST writers have read the collected works of Robert Anton Wilson, Timothy Leary, W.S. Burroughs and Baba Ram Das aka Richard Alpert? I just looked around and see the Temple leader's name being spelled alternately as "Dogon" and "Dogen," so maybe I was riffing on a misunderstanding. Wouldn't be the first time with this crazy show.
I wasn't at all disappointed that Ben survived the episode. I was actually quite relieved. The LOST creative team has spent so much time in past seasons building up the conflict between Ben and Charles Widmore, it would've been extremely frustrating to see Ben killed off before we get to see some kind of resolution to that story thread.
little snippy, aren't we? there's also penny widmore back to your question. the "actual" timeline charles widmore.
just1nj, your question wasn't clear so chill out. Lalo, was it the actual timeline? I'm not so sure. From all the elusive information given on the LOST podcast, I have a feeling that both of these timelines are valid and of equal importance. I would say that one isn't more real than the other. That's what I got out of what they were saying anyway.
I would be more inclined to think the name is "Dogen", in reference to the Zen philosopher Dogen Zenji
Yes, the blog I'd read that spelled it "Dogon" was apparently incorrect. "Dogen" does make more sense.
two great episodes in the last few weeks revolving around great characters (richard and ben), but they didn't further the story line/answers much
Just finished tonights episode. I thought last weeks episode was medicore compared to the episode about Ben. However this week I really enjoyed. I'm thinking this was a test of character for Richard, to sort of show which side he is going to take. It's also cool to see how the Black Rock got to the island and how the statue was destroyed. I feel like they are trying to stuff in as many little details as they possibly can. As far as the story is concerned, I almost feel like right now these episodes are focusing on the character of each person. Maybe giving us some slight insight into how they are going to act as things are set in motion. I thought it was interesting that the man in black just straight admitted that he was trying to kill Jacob. It's so hard to pick sides because you would think they wouldn't make it such black and white, literally. I want to think that Jacob is good but it's so hard. Also, a trend I'm starting to see is the man in black is making promises to everyone about things that Jacob know can't be done. He couldn't bring back Richards wife or wash him of his sins BUT he could make him live forever. The man in black said he could brings his wife back. I don't know, this is super confusing but I'm happy with tonights episode. Last week let me down a little so I was glad to see things back on track. Thoughts?
Really enjoyed Richard's episode! As Hank mentioned it wrapped up a few questions that have been dangling for a while - how the statue was destroyed, how the Black Rock came to the island, how Richard doesn't age, WHO Richard is/was. It was also really interesting to see 1867 Jacob and how differently he acted back then. Up until last night Jacob was always a calm, gentle character - but he was irritated and violent when he first met Richard. The drowning/baptism scene was great! Even though the whole series has been throwing curve balls, I have to think that Jacob's story about the island being the "cork" to keep evil contained is true, if for no other reason than there isn't enough time to put this one on its head and spin it. But it just feels right. The bits and pieces of the Jacob/Essau story fit: Jacob is passive, trusting (to the point where he lets Ben kill him), baptizes people, doesn't lie to them, whereas Essau kills people and has a serpent's tongue. It really seemed like Richard was striking a deal with the devil when Essau made him promise that he (RA) would help him (Essau) if he (Essau) unlocked the shackles.
Did anyone notice the man in black (who is now Locke currently) told Richard to stab Jacob before he spoke. Just as Dogen instructed Sayid to do to Locke (the man in black formerly). So we might have some role reversing going on here. Maybe the man in black is not all evil and Jacob is not all good? Personally if this ends in some Disney Christian Jesus jargon I'm going to be pissed.
