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  1. eldorado

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    Reissue???
    I aint gonna waste my 666th post on this BS but I will add to this one since it was linked.

    Well...we knew well over a month ago this was gonna get reissued...it didnt have to but it did.

    RE-ISSUES SUCK period ! KT is not to blame...RHND is...they should have not got involved with this SOLID promo if it was gonna mean a direct 100% reissue...period.
    You dont see Cronic dumbing down their brand for some $ and a buncha lame "customs"....Im sure some would KILL....but most would suck.

    I have supported RXH Customs since Summer of 06 and have a "few"...but...
    MOST...closer to all recent RXH "Customs" SUCK!SUCK!SUCK!!! Uninspired ...Boring wastes of dino-goop...if you are gonna "customize" em ...get some fkn style and taste like LASH and ShaPeShiFtA and of late Hiro or just leave em alone.. ....stupid SOLID cheap ass anyone can do it customs so far that I have seen Suck....no offense to anyone in particular...I dont post in other threads (yet) how bad they Suck so dont hate me too much for venting it here. Maybe Im just a Jerk that doesnt like to see RXH "customs" that suck cause it dilutes the Mystique......but...Until I see one used as a "platform" Im gonna not piss on anyones show off thread .

    The KT Solids look great unpainted...great for Customs with some style too.

    People can do what they want...but that does not mean what they want doesnt = another lame RXH "custom"

    LASH some secrets are better kept !!!

    I hope we can get back to no re-fkn-issues with RXH NOW before the rest of the LB 06's get sacrificed to the Solid promo......I still wonder what happened to no reissues for 20 years?

    That was a "SOLID" statement that I hope holds true barring the "SOLID" deviation EVIL.






    1st Congrats to RxH on enough success to bring the honor of its own RHND Shop!!!

    2nd...Whats the deal...is the Lucky Bag 06 WHITE no paint Evil being reissued???

    All the RXH I dont have and covet .....including this EVIL ...Id rather Not Have than bring the curse of the Reissue down on RHND !!!

    I hope the "no reissue for at least 20 years" quote we heard from Mori still stands.

    White blank HEAD,EVIL, BIGARO = Lucky Bag 06...Chaos Lucky 06 at least has an EYE color to separate it .

    Jumping on the Taro "SOLID" wagon isnt worth it...the flesh shoulda been the no limit RXH issued for customs.Anything NOT ISSUED in any form already would have been better for the long run.

    IMO RXH should tell Taro..sorry RHND already issued Lucky Bag Blank White EVIL HEAD and BIGARO in 2006........way ahead of the "Solid" game !

    Rumble Monsters dumping those REISSUE Yellow painted Damns may not have affected the price too much...but it did Kill the Mystique of the Damnedron and RM in general..and KILL collector trust that whats been released is it/not gonna be "redo""again" or whatever wording is used for reissue.Great way to turn a Growing fan base into a Shrinking one.

    Even that Gargamel SDCC Zag being released again for the Thrash-out ANNV was really pushing it... I can understand selling the leftovers in the retail shop....but the SAME Zag issued again for the Anniversary of the Shop?
    Other than S7/Garg/SB ect selling leftovers in their retail shops releases should be for only 1 EVENT/release...thats it.Even if it makes them harder to get/coveted/future Grails....its better than turning them into BeanyBabies.

    Plus how damn boring is a reissue of a modern/non Vintage toy compared to actually having a New Killer spray/vinyl color that equals or betters the ones done before??? Shouldnt that be the goal ? The Present and Future releases...well for 20 years at least LOL!

    IMO Reissues and/or overproduction could be the Death of this scene if allowed to creep in. RM got what it deserved....SB too. RM was/is too small to ever truly recover...SB ...anything is possible.

    Unless you are lucky and get something you really like at retail/new...who wants to chase around/be a part of a strong secondary market (B/S/T) if its gonna be reissued ...whenever...= Death of the 2ndary

    If too many are made in a run...it will not sell-out and be way under retail in the secondary market =Death of the 1st/Retail

    S7 /retailers not being able to sell what they buy = Death of the Brand/Maker

    I love and respect RxH and hope they DO NOT REISSUE or OVERPRODUCE....and just stay off those paths already littered with RM and SB casualties.

    IMO...RealHeadNotDead! = No Reissues....No overproduction...No boring sprays...No more blanks unless they are Protos/Lucky's..and GID's of their Own for a change!

    RHND!!!.......and I hope it never ends up RHN.
     
  2. Pogue

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    Reissue???
    nobody said they were going to reissue any figures but feel free to go nuts over pure speculation.
     
  3. eldorado

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    Reissue???
    Pogue...its more about reissues in general
     
  4. Pogue

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    Reissue???
    Ok
     
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    Yow!
     
  6. BloodDrinker6969

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    Reissue???
    Good rant, good rant. I got a feeling if the "solid" line gets an Evil or Mutant it won't be the same somehow. Maybe solid BLACK!

    Or just more flesh, the flesh sets were kinda there to serve the custom community.

    "If too many are made in a run...it will not sell-out and be way under retail in the secondary market =Death of the 1st/Retail "

    This is a strong point too. I don't think a lot of people understand it right away. They think "just make runs of 500 who cares? We all want one!" but than people KNOW they can go buy it whenever they want without worry and it sits in a store forever and than stores don't want Rxh anymore cause there's still stuff sitting around.

    It's not about having runs of 10 either. It's about keeping the market alive and our fav. toy companies in business. I can live w/o a couple of super hard to get figures, it's part of collecting. You can't have it all (though some may try.)

    Collecting vs. Shopping.
     
  7. logang1

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    E,

    I agree with the principles of your rant, for sure.

    It sucks, but I feel like its almost inevitable that the rest of the gang of four is slotted for SOLID release.

    Do you really think taro would have been interested in releasing blank white vinyl Bats, Akros, or Jinjas?

    It is a bit disappointing.
     
  8. eldorado

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    Reissue???
    Well Blood the blank Black Evil /Head have also been released.....maybe that will be the next KT promo...

    Logang...I think RXH is strong enough to not Reissue or get involved with the KT SOLID series at all...if it involves having to Reissue,,,simple No Reissues.

    Seriously...outside of early jump the gun pre-orders on stuff that S7 almost always gets...how important is KT???

    I know KT deals with all kindsa stuff ...but RXH in particular...I have never got any from them I could not get thru S7 since S7 and RXH have been working together close....more often than not its the other way around.

    To Reissue anything for this SOLID series just seems like it would be a shame...and they are Lucky Bags to boot.
     
  9. akum6n

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    Reissue???
    I think KT SOLID is just a way for them to promote customization without fans having to spend a ton of cash or ruin artists' paints. Frankly, I don't see them as reissues and even if they did stamp the foot or something (e.g., B-Club style) I don't think anyone would care. You could argue that the flesh set served this purpose, but it wasn't particularly large-run (I recall the initial releases being limited to 30 pieces each).

    I'm sure S7 is better if you only collect RxH, SB, Gargamel, etc. But if you collect the less mainstream items, K-T is a great resource as well. They've hooked me up with things that would probably never leave Japan otherwise.

    Anyway, I just think that if you're viewing the white SOLID toys as collectibles, you're missing the point of the SOLID line. It's like collecting unglazed pottery from a craft store, or something.
     
  10. eldorado

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    Reissue???
    Hey Akum...I still want that proto Galtan LOL!!!

    I collect mostly Vintage and RXH and a dash of all kindsa other New stuff...I know KT has lots of stuff I dont collect and is great for that stuff...Seems like whats not mainstream here is more mainstream there and visa-versa half the time..I was just saying that not being a part of the Solid series would not effect RXH in a negative way....but reissues will.

    I dont think a KT promotion is a good reason to reissue Any RxH .

    To me if a release is released Again ....Exactly the same...its a Reissue...period.....the Mook says Lucky 06 release...2 years ago they were Lucky Bag prizes...right?

    It would take at least a stamp to make it any different...new header/no header isnt enough to say its not a reissue.

    I know that the SOLID series is supposed to be for "customs"...so I was never missing the point there....but the Original release 06 Lucky Bag blank White EVIL,HEAD,CHAOS and BIGARO were not for customs and they came 1st...I think it was a year before KT even stocked Any RxH.

    Again I hope RXH does not do any reissues...only new Killer sprays or blanks for customs ...in colors that have never been released.
     
  11. m3kcomp

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    Reissue???
    I feel like fearing a reissue is more of a fear of not being able to say you have something that others don't...and I always feel like that's a bad reason to collect.

    One of my favorite pieces, the red/pink Cronic/Nerd One collab was made in an edition of 15...it would be no less special to me if they reissued it in a run of a million...even though it was hard to find and was satisfying when I did...I LOVE the piece itself for what it is.

    I don't know, maybe I'm asking for a hammer to the head...but I really think that it's all about what the artist who owns the stuff wants to do...I rarely question what the person who actually owns the intellectual property does with it...I have the power to choose to buy it or not. I also make the choice not to care if I'm the only one who has it or if everybody and their brother has one on their office desk.

    also, isn't owning the header card for an "original" white Evil, Bigaro or Head enough to make the distinction if you want that line drawn?
     
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    Yes, I think we can all agree that straight-up reissues = lame, RxH and beyond. I have some Rumble Monsters that nobody wants, apparently.

    I'll trade my proto Galtan for a set of the OG white RxH blanks. Lol.
     
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    Reissue???
    I think you miss the point. It's not about something being rare, it's about moving forward, not looking back, keeping things fresh and interesting.

    To reissue when there's so much more to do is boring. Also, no offense to you or any pro-reissuers, it's selfish to ask. "Hey, we missed the boat on this or that, and though there's always another boat coming we want you to bring that one back just for us even if it means holding other things up!"

    It's not about low or high numbers, it's about moving forward. There's tons of things I'll never get, but there's lots to look forwarc to.
     
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    Reissue???
    I have to agree that reissues are kind of lame and that we shouldn't be looking to issued figs from the past and that we should be moving forward, but at the same time, I fully support the KT solid line as a way of getting figs to customize for cheap so you don't have to ruin another paint app. I think that maybe a stamp on the foot or something should differentiate it, but if they made the figs in another color they would just be another issue. By making all the figs white (not just RxH, but Gargamel, and all others) they are making a line that says "hey, feel free to paint these up because there's no paint or color to screw with." At the same time they are moving forward by seeing what customizers bring to the table that's new and exciting. On a personal note, I bought 2 of the SOLID Chaos' and I will be painting them both as originally as I can so that I can enjoy them.
     
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    I love reissues!!! It gives folks(like myself)who did not get Real Head figures from the early days a chance to finally get our hands on some cool looking toys. Why do you think punk/hardcore labels reissue old bands? To get the noise out there!!!

    I do think it would be cool to have a different stamping on the foot like a year or the # "2nd" on it. That way if collectors want to know what they are getting/selling/trading no one gets ripped off. There will always be a chance of a seller selling a 2nd pressing/reissue as original and basically rip off someone.

    In closing,reissues are great but adding something to it to make it known as a reissue would be a good idea.
     
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    Reissue???
    This conversation keeps getting reissued.
     
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    So I was just looking at the SOLID series stuff, there is a sunguts figure called cumguts? whaaaaat :lol:
     
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    edit: just to make a point: I'm neither pro or anti reissue...it's not my call unless it's my artwork.

    I was just thinking that "reissuing" a blank white piece seems like no big deal.

    I agree it would be upsetting if reissues happen in lieu if new work...but I don't think putting out white blanks for KTs Solid line threatens the "looking forward" argument in any way...I want to be able to get cheap Bigaros to customize without ruining one of Mori's pieces.

    also, and I'm only speaking for myself, I don't put reissues of Bullmark pieces on my shelves feeling like I got the great piece I missed out on; I know it's a reissue and I bought it because I like it. I don't think anyone buying a KT blank is doing it because they missed out on the Lucky Bag releases and passing it off as such...

    Glen's right since this has been argued in circles many times, and it is all speculation. Everyone can worry when KR picks up the Reggae Evil reissue...until then...

    I just think it's up to the artist...right? We're on their bus here, and can get off at any time.
     
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    Reissue???
    This can't be right ... ummm ... can it? I feel like I've seen more than 30 sets listed FS just here and at YJA! Maybe only 30 of the first set included the Fruity Pebbles Chaos? (Fruity was a 60%-odds Lucky, which would make 50 sets total if only 30 of them had Fruit.)


    I don't have any of the Lucky '06 whites to check (obviously a shocking travesty of kaijustice), but since they were Lucky I'd bet they did not have their own special headers, but were packaged with the 'stock' headers for each figure. Now, the K-T Solids of course have no headers at all, but ... If the white '06 Luckys indeed used stock headers, then a Solid Big/Evil/Chaos mated to a stock header from a common RxH would be indistinguishable from the originals - And wherever you come down on reissues, no one seems to be in favor of making them impossible to distinguish. I'm not familiar enough with rotocasting to be certain, but it seems like it wouldn't be so hard to temporarily add a '2' into the mold's foot-bottom.

    I agree with eldo that reissues do breach some sort of implied contract with the collector, and could in some circumstances be a sad substitute for new creative endeavours, but to my mind this is a much lesser concern with unpaints. Even the solid-black Evil has already been 'released' (as a proto IIRC - I remember trying to work out a swap for hiro's black proto-Evil). So long as there is some way to reliably distinguish the Solids from the '06 Lucky's, I don't think it's a big problem. Reissuing, say, the Cosmo pink Chaos or Jyarinco Evil (two more items which Fate has inexplicably withheld from my hands!), even if it were clearly and permanently marked to distinguish it from the original, would be a much more serious concern.
     
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    Original lucky bag releases I blelieve did not come with a header - they were packed in solid white bags with RxH logo's stamped on them. Hence a Blind Bag.

    To Reissue or not - Chaos is a reissue but can be distinguished by the color of the eye (original was a prototype not released). White Head and Evil were the common blind bags (and even then a handfull were made) and the Bigaro was the limited. I don't beleive Mori will reissue figures in the same color. I can see the Evils and Heads coming out in a black.

    Mori knows his market and knows he will kill it if he does reissues. You don't bite the hand that feeds you do you?
     
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    HUH, Didn't know gotta check my Mook more often :oops:

    I think they still can release a SOLID version of Mutant, Bigaro and Evil, just don't make it a solid colored vinyl that's been released already. Maybe make them more of an egg shell/off white so it's somewhere between flesh and white?

    I don't want reissues either, I'm just saying for the SOLID line there has to be an answer that doesn't involve releasing something that's been done.
     
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    MOOK only lists the Head as released as a Thrashout limited Ed. fig. Where's the Evil?
     
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    Dont know where it came from, but its real.

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    Well Fuck me then!!!!
     
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    yeowch that's a nice picture
     

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